<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1uvtfvcegcn9kds68r8he57emc480vqtx8t22kpsctxgjxae44gvsksaxrt</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1uvtfvcegcn9kds68r8he57emc480vqtx8t22kpsctxgjxae44gvsksaxrt</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2018-03-20&#xA;📝 Original message:&#xA;On 9 March 2018 at 05:28, ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev &lt;&#xA;lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Good morning Corne,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; You mention URLs in your draft.  This made me remember about the Web&#xA;&gt; Payments Working Group of W3C, https://www.w3.org/Payments/WG/ , of which&#xA;&gt; Decker, Christian of Blockstream is a member: https://www.w3.org/2000/09/&#xA;&gt; dbwg/details?group=83744&amp;public=1&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; My understanding is that Christian aims to make Bitcoin payments (and&#xA;&gt; possibly Lightning invoice payments?) payable over Web payment protocols&#xA;&gt; that W3C group is working on.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Possibly the Web Payments Working Group may provide better perspective on&#xA;&gt; various other payment use cases as well as their subtleties, which can help&#xA;&gt; inform your considerations in your proposed BOLT12.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;I&#39;m interested in this effort too.&#xA;&#xA;There&#39;s various levels of web payments incubation.  Working Group is for&#xA;wide deployment in browsers.  Interest Group is for ideas that are aimed at&#xA;standards track.  Community group is aimed at new ideas and specs which can&#xA;have stable references, but may be more on the bleeding edge.&#xA;&#xA;I do quite a bit of work with the W3C, so am happy to look over things, as&#xA;I&#39;d like to include something similar in my apps.  I was thinking I&#39;d have&#xA;to make my own ontology, but if it&#39;s possible to reuse, that&#39;s even better!&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Regards,&#xA;&gt; ZmnSCPxj&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ​Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.​&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On March 8, 2018 11:19 PM, Corné Plooy via Lightning-dev &lt;&#xA;&gt; lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Hi,&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; I was thinking of how to use Lightning for various types of payments,&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; and I think it&#39;s currently fine for customer/(web)shop type&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; interactions, but it seems a bit inconvenient for other use cases, e.g.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; salary payments or direct pay-out of cryptocurrency bought on an&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; exchange. I came up with an idea that addresses some of these issues and&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; more (e.g. payee anonymity) by having a direct line of communication&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; between payer and payee instead of BOLT11-style interaction. It&#39;s still&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; a bit half-baked, with many details not worked out yet, but you can read&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; it here, and see if you like where this is going:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; https://github.com/bitonic-cjp/lightning-rfc/blob/&#xA;&gt; payment-protocol/12-payment-protocol.md&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; In true permissionless fashion, I have been so bolD to register bolT #12&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; for my idea.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Please let me know what you think.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; kind regards,&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; CJP&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Lightning-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Lightning-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20180320/bf6c51a4/attachment-0001.html&gt;</html></oembed>