<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1du3xh5wgds32a5fweqkd9k45kh30wl7kv2kyu8ugz9c2ztdg00tqqvyg93</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1du3xh5wgds32a5fweqkd9k45kh30wl7kv2kyu8ugz9c2ztdg00tqqvyg93</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-08-12&#xA;📝 Original message:On Tuesday 11. August 2015 19.47.56 Jorge Timón wrote:&#xA;&gt; On Aug 11, 2015 12:14 AM, &#34;Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev&#34;&#xA;&gt; &gt; See my various emails in the last hour.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; I&#39;ve read them. I have read gavin&#39;s blog posts as well, several times.&#xA;&gt; I still don&#39;t see what else can we fear from not increasing the size apart&#xA;&gt; from fees maybe rising and making some problems that need to be solved&#xA;&gt; rewardless of the size more visible &#xA;&#xA;[]&#xA;&gt; This discussion is frustrating for everyone. I could also say &#34;This have&#xA;&gt; been explained many times&#34; and similar things, but that&#39;s not productive.&#xA;&gt; I&#39;m not trying to be obstinate, please, answer what else is to fear or&#xA;&gt; admit that all your feas are just potential consequences of rising fees.&#xA;&#xA;Since you replied to me;&#xA;&#xA;I have to admit I find that a little depressing.&#xA;I put forward about 10 reasons in the last 24 hours and all you remember is &#xA;something with fees.  Which, thats the funny part, I never wrote as being a &#xA;problem directly.&#xA;&#xA; &#xA;&gt; With the risk of sounding condescending or aggressive...Really, is not that&#xA;&gt; hard to answer questions directly and succinctly.&#xA;&#xA;I would really like to avoid putting blame. I&#39;d like to avoid the FUD &#xA;accusation and calling people paranoid, even yourself, sounds rather bad &#xA;too...&#xA;&#xA;Personally I think its a bad idea to do write the way you do, which is that &#xA;some people have to prove that bad things will happen if we don&#39;t make a &#xA;certain change. It polarizes the discussion and puts people into camps. People &#xA;have to choose sides.&#xA;&#xA;I&#39;ve been reading the blocksize debate for months now and have been &#xA;wondering &#xA;why people here are either for or against, it makes no sense to me.&#xA;Neither camp is right, and everyone knows this!&#xA;Everyone knows that bigger blocks doesn&#39;t solve the scalability problem. &#xA;Everyone knows that you can&#39;t get substantial growth using lightning or higher &#xA;fees in, say, the next 12 months.&#xA;&#xA;please reply to this email;&#xA;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010129.html&#xA;&#xA;-- &#xA;Thomas Zander</html></oembed>