<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1fx98zxt3lzspjs5f4msr0fxysx5euucm29ghysryju7vpc9j0jzqtcl2d8</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1fx98zxt3lzspjs5f4msr0fxysx5euucm29ghysryju7vpc9j0jzqtcl2d8</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-12-09&#xA;📝 Original message:Fair enough.&#xA;On Dec 9, 2015 4:03 PM, &#34;Gregory Maxwell&#34; &lt;greg at xiph.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jorge Timón &lt;jtimon at jtimon.cc&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt; From this question one could think that when you said &#34;we can do the&#xA;&gt; &gt; cleanup hardfork later&#34; earlier you didn&#39;t really meant it. And that&#xA;&gt; &gt; you will oppose to that hardfork later just like you are opposing to&#xA;&gt; &gt; it now.&#xA;&gt; &gt; As said I disagree that making a softfork first and then move the&#xA;&gt; &gt; commitment is less disruptive (because people will need to adapt their&#xA;&gt; &gt; software twice), but if the intention is to never do the second part&#xA;&gt; &gt; then of course I agree it would be less disruptive.&#xA;&gt; &gt; How long after the softfork would you like to do the hardfork?&#xA;&gt; &gt; 1 year after the softfork? 2 years? never?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I think it would be logical to do as part of a hardfork that moved&#xA;&gt; commitments generally; e.g. a better position for merged mining (such&#xA;&gt; a hardfork was suggested in 2010 as something that could be done if&#xA;&gt; merged mining was used), room for commitments to additional block&#xA;&gt; back-references for compact SPV proofs, and/or UTXO set commitments.&#xA;&gt; Part of the reason to not do it now is that the requirements for the&#xA;&gt; other things that would be there are not yet well defined. For these&#xA;&gt; other applications, the additional overhead is actually fairly&#xA;&gt; meaningful; unlike the fraud proofs.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20151209/0845be33/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>