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2026-03-06 10:33:02 CET

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Next time 😉

2026-02-27 20:22:58 CET

Binging The Travellers with bacon and cheese 😋 TV #foodstr
https://i.nostr.build/VKPlSBC56YxhNSyD.jpg

2026-02-27 15:23:10 CET

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Sad. I know a women (a friend of my mother) who paid €3,000 last year for a Bitcoin course. Turns out it was focused around day-trading and she bought Ripple because, you know, she was going to make 300,000 a year and Ripple was gonna go to $5. Around the same time BTC was where we are now... and Ripple is trading at 1.50 (or so).
I also met her once (around that time) and I told her right there and then to get rid of Ripple... she wouldn't listen to "her friends son who has been in this since forever" which is sad. The only person who made money is the person who is hosting those "courses".

2026-02-27 15:16:56 CET

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#meme #nostrmemes

2026-02-27 15:11:30 CET

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Have you tried npub.. instead of nprofile? and/or @ npub/nprofile instead of nostr: ?

2026-02-27 11:34:35 CET

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GM Rasha

2026-02-27 11:33:23 CET

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Im Vergleich der Mindestlohn für Gastronomen:
Januar 2021 - 9,50 €
Januar 2022 - 9,82 €
Januar 2024 -12,41 €
Januar 2025 - 12,82 €
Januar 2026 - 13,90 €
Wieso sollte man dafür noch Arbeiten? Oh yeah natürlich... Trinkgeld gibt's ja auch noch. Oder auch nicht aber wird trotzdem mit angerechnet als Einkommen.

2026-02-27 11:27:38 CET

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Don't day trade! It's a trap

2026-02-27 11:26:06 CET

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Her other clients are also pedos... and narcos, and human traffickers and terrorists and and and 😉

2026-02-27 11:21:52 CET

Nothing has changed on the #stoopidlines.
72k upper resistance
60k lower support
Anything between is SEO headlines and FUD.
TLDR: There is nothing to see until we break either one.

2026-02-27 11:19:05 CET

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Alright. I see what you mean. The one of the left does look better!

2026-02-27 11:18:09 CET

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Oh I see. Yeah I get that too. Which model were you using?

2026-02-27 11:16:54 CET

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I'm pretty much off until the new internet gets connected - or Bitcoin goes on a massive breakout 😉

2026-02-27 11:16:10 CET

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Let me know if you buidl something with this 😉

2026-02-27 11:08:52 CET

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Wait till you get your hands on...
https://store.steampowered.com/app/855740/Bum_Simulator/
:PepeLaugh:

2026-02-27 11:07:13 CET

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This is the way. Bohemia Interactive has been doing this since Operation Flashpoint which is probably why it's the most realistic combat simulator on the market. I like ARC but for some reason it didn't grab as much as my friends. @npub1kxr…4atx and @npub1wqx…cxws are absolutely killing it in ARC

2026-02-27 11:03:55 CET

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Flapnation!

2026-02-27 11:03:39 CET

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I'm looking at this note, right now.

2026-02-27 11:02:04 CET

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From blue skies and sun... thank you Söder!

2026-02-27 11:00:39 CET

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2026-02-27 10:59:39 CET

GM #coffeechain ☕ 💜
https://media4.giphy.com/media/U6GCKHGsRHiPqP6Cn0/200w.gif

2026-02-27 10:58:42 CET

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I have but I do prefer just throwing the thing in the oven. But I have made pizzas in pans... whenever I didn't haven an oven 😉

2026-02-26 13:52:13 CET

First 🍕 made in the new oven. Came out nice! #foodstr 😋
https://i.nostr.build/zAu0NrRdJZqa1Dut.jpg

2026-02-26 11:39:34 CET

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That's awesome man! Looking forward to see some pics!

2026-02-26 11:38:29 CET

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I was out on my phone and just got home. Here you go:
TradingView Lightweight Charts
official open-source chart library (Apache-2.0) for candlesticks/lines and basic financial charts you can integrate into your app.
https://github.com/tradingview/lightweight-charts
TradingView itself offers free charting libraries that you can host and plug your own data into. The open-source part (Lightweight Charts) is lighter.
https://www.tradingview.com/free-charting-libraries/
Check this out too: TradingVue.js or KLineCharts
open-source JavaScript charting libs (community-built) aimed at crypto/financial charts (candlesticks, zoom, indicators)
https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/1lxzg53/alternatives_for_tradingview_advanced_charts

2026-02-26 11:33:28 CET

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Nice graphics

2026-02-26 11:31:30 CET

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The actual truth is that they're spraying poison on the population while playing weather gods. You have to do better or we'll delete the I in AI.

2026-02-26 11:30:15 CET

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I counted 11 planes. ELEVEN!

2026-02-26 11:29:10 CET

1&1 has released the reservation on the landline!!!!
Now we'll wait for o2 to give us a timeline for the new internet being connected...
https://i.nostr.build/5M1GrVQO665SUKEU.gif

2026-02-26 11:26:47 CET

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No. The 2nd generation of Bitcoiners is dumb by design.

2026-02-26 11:26:20 CET

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the things people do for cloud... like recording videos half-naked.

2026-02-26 11:24:52 CET

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I wouldn't say that she's ugly.

2026-02-26 11:22:00 CET

😝
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#nevent1q…0n8p

2026-02-26 11:00:03 CET

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Just saw that there is open source code for tradingview on GitHub 😉

2026-02-26 10:59:11 CET

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GM ☕

2026-02-26 10:59:03 CET

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It was great 😉

2026-02-26 10:58:51 CET

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GM Ser!

2026-02-26 10:58:18 CET

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GM 🌞 ☕

2026-02-26 10:56:21 CET

Could have been a sunny afternoon in Bavaria...
https://i.nostr.build/UNtEa85Bz32faeOt.jpg

2026-02-26 09:40:25 CET

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Agreed. We still have a lot of stoopidlines to flip on the daily chart. 😉

2026-02-26 09:39:25 CET

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😂 I'm still recovering from playing house flipper. A property renovation simulator

2026-02-26 09:38:03 CET

GM #coffeechain ☕ 💜
https://i.nostr.build/zAy9h9775AUVdpnY.jpg

2026-02-25 19:41:13 CET

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I'm sure there is opensource charting solution but I don't know one that has a BTC chart with multi-exchange price aggregation and analytics baked in the way TradingView does. My chart is mostly the 4h BTC/USDT from Binance which uses their API.

2026-02-25 19:34:57 CET

Tomorrow's headlines.... Bitcoin recovers after massive crash... also because of Tariffs. Or whatever else is trending tomorrow SEO wise. Delete the news sites, follow the chart. It's the only signal you need.
#nevent1q…0gdq

2026-02-25 19:32:47 CET

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I've been getting doomsday google alerts on "Bitcoin" since Monday. If I was writing for one of the Bitcoin "news" sites, I'd be so embarrassed over the headlines I've put out there.

2026-02-25 19:31:20 CET

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Yeah... no!

2026-02-25 19:30:54 CET

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Only time will tell. for now we've seen a higher low BUT the 4h RSI is about to hit overbought. We'll have to see if we can try the res at 72k before taking a step back. pamped too fast... also again lol.

2026-02-25 19:27:26 CET

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#meme #nostrmemes #bitcoin

2026-02-25 19:18:43 CET

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100-day MA flipped for the first time since Jan 25. Not boolish at all 😉 🚀

2026-02-25 19:15:26 CET

So much for going below 60k. We flipped the 100-day MA. Next stop 72k.. again. All your wall street anal-ysts were wrong. Also... again.
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2026-02-25 18:33:03 CET

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you're right. But if no real dev steps up we'll have to vibe it for now.

2026-02-25 18:31:22 CET

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Actually... "100k+ prompt sets are normal" 👀
→ 1) Spreadsheet-driven batch (simple, surprisingly effective)
→ Put 100k rows in a sheet: id | prompt_template | variables | status | output | next_id
→ Use lookups (VLOOKUP/XLOOKUP/INDEX-MATCH) to pull variables / prior outputs / routing rules
→ A script (Python/Node) reads rows with status=todo, calls the model, writes outputs back, marks done
Best when: you want big prompt libraries + deterministic routing.
→ 2) Database + job queue (scales better than spreadsheets)
→ Store prompts and outputs in Postgres/SQLite
→ Use a queue (Redis/RQ/Celery/BullMQ) to run workers continuously
→ “VLOOKUP” becomes SQL joins (faster, cleaner, fewer sheet limits)
→ Add retry logic, rate limiting, dedupe, and checkpoints
Best when: you want continuous operation and reliability.
→ 3) Workflow tools (no/low-code)
→ n8n / Make / Zapier style flow:
→ trigger → fetch next prompt row → call model → save → branch based on output → repeat
This gives you loops, but you still need guardrails to avoid infinite churn.
Best when: you want quick iteration without building an app.
→ 4) Agent loop (tool-using “planner/worker”)
→ One model generates a task list, another executes, a third judges / routes
→ State stored externally (DB)
→ Loop until “stop condition” met (score threshold, max steps, no new tasks)
Best when: you want autonomous-ish processing with supervision.
Reality checks (so you don’t waste time)
→ Chat UI won’t run unattended loops. You need an external runner.
→ 100k+ prompt sets are normal, but you must checkpoint (so crashes don’t nuke progress).
→ Spreadsheet lookups work, but Google Sheets/Excel can get slow/fragile at high volumes — DB is safer long-term.
→ If you’re doing branching based on outputs, build a stop condition or it’ll happily burn tokens forever.
If you tell me what the loop is meant to achieve (classification, content generation, code refactors, OSINT triage, etc.), I’ll give you the best architecture and a concrete schema (sheet columns or DB tables) plus the control logic.

2026-02-25 18:27:49 CET

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With an overseer agent managing slave agents... probably. Unless you pick the female model as overseer. She'll argue about the absurdness of your request.

2026-02-25 18:24:56 CET

What a time to be alive 🤣 https://npub1de6l09erjl9r990q7n9ql0rwh8x8n059ht7a267n0q3qe28wua8q20q0sd.blossom.band/c51d4c1a56c57d05fdc4f40866f8539fa1f4f570144dff0d069ca67a30bc2bd7.png

2026-02-25 18:20:11 CET

I just told Beethoven I'll take a break cause my brain is 🤯 ... and that I need to expand my capacity the Johnny Mnemonic way to keep up. His response...
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2026-02-25 17:30:05 CET

Discord hitting the pause button on age verification clearly signals that users don’t want biometric gating in social spaces.
There is now a small window of opportunity for apps offering permissioned groups without KYC and voice rooms without facial compliance. Take advantage of it before the internet moves on only to throw a fit again in 6 months.
VIBE THAT SHIT INTO EXISTENCE, we'll fix it later.

2026-02-25 17:24:26 CET

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yes

2026-02-25 17:21:45 CET

Over the last week I've seen (and participated) in several conversations on the topic of WebRTC voice channels for NIP-29 groups. I now took all the snippets I could find from nostr, discord and email, fed them to my agent and this is the concise summary of our discussions
Subject: Voice Chat Architecture for NIP-29 App (Summary)
Overview
We are not building a custom audio transport layer. The recommended approach is to use WebRTC for real-time media transport and Opus as the audio codec. Nostr will be used strictly for signalling (session negotiation), not for carrying media.
Why WebRTC
WebRTC solves the hard problems required for real-time voice:
→ NAT traversal
→ Firewall negotiation
→ Peer-to-peer connection setup (ICE, STUN, TURN)
→ Adaptive bitrate
→ Congestion control
→ Packet loss recovery
→ Jitter buffering
Building a custom UDP/TCP audio stack would require re-implementing all of the above, which is unnecessary and high risk.
Latency
Voice chat requires sub-150ms end-to-end latency and must tolerate unstable network conditions. WebRTC is designed specifically for interactive real-time communication (video calls, gaming voice, live communication). It prioritises immediacy over perfect audio fidelity, which matches our use case.
Codec
WebRTC defaults to Opus, which is the industry standard for real-time voice.
Opus provides:
→ Dynamic bitrate adaptation (6 kbps – 510 kbps)
→ Strong packet loss handling
→ Forward error correction
→ Speech and music optimisation modes
→ Excellent performance at low bitrates
There is no need to select or implement a separate codec.
Encryption
WebRTC media is encrypted using DTLS-SRTP by default.
Separation of concerns:
→ Nostr handles identity and signalling
→ WebRTC handles encrypted media transport
No additional media-layer encryption design is required.
Topology Decision (Critical)
The main architectural decision is not codec, but topology:
Option A – Mesh (P2P)
→ Each participant connects to every other participant
→ Suitable for small rooms (2–6 users)
→ No media server required
→ Does not scale well (upload bandwidth increases per participant)
Option B – SFU (Selective Forwarding Unit)
→ Each participant sends one upstream stream to a media server
→ Server forwards streams to others
→ Scales to larger rooms
→ Requires infrastructure
If we want Discord-like scalability, we will need an SFU.
Signalling Flow
Nostr will be used for:
→ Exchanging SDP offers and answers
→ Exchanging ICE candidates
→ Authenticating participants via Nostr keys
→ Enforcing NIP-29 group membership rules
Media itself will not travel over Nostr.
Conclusion
Recommended stack:
→ WebRTC for real-time transport
→ Opus codec (default)
→ Nostr for encrypted signalling
→ Mesh for small sovereign rooms
→ SFU for scalable group rooms
The next decision point is defining expected room sizes and platform targets (web-only vs cross-platform), as that determines whether to start with mesh or SFU.
End of summary.

2026-02-25 17:11:10 CET

According to the internet the blowback on age verification for discord was so massive that they're moving the idea into the 2nd half of 2026. So we still have a couple of months to work on the nostr alternative.

2026-02-25 16:28:31 CET

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I needed a good laugh! 😆

2026-02-25 16:24:54 CET

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He can do with his money whatever he deems fit. It's his money. Me, I send mine to Palestine or, I did until Yussuf and Bitcoin for Palestine fell off the radar. I fear that camp has been levelled to the ground.

2026-02-25 16:17:31 CET

I don't know why they're celebrating a war but happy 4h Anniversary of the Ukrainian conflict.
The EUR has lost ~27% of purchase power during that time.

2026-02-25 15:47:48 CET

Let's try this again. Memes with typos aren't fun!
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#meme #nostrmemes

2026-02-25 15:37:58 CET

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I don't. As a sovereign I never voted in my entire life. 😉

2026-02-25 15:36:46 CET

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Any time. When people say "OP_RETURN is prunable" what they really mean is:
* It doesn’t bloat the UTXO set
* It can be discarded by pruned nodes after validation
But it is still permanently embedded in the blockchain history.

2026-02-25 15:32:34 CET

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It's all a fucking joke.

2026-02-25 15:31:44 CET

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The brunette at the bottom right of the video is cute!

2026-02-25 15:25:21 CET

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Sucks that India isn't part of the "Rome Statute" or they could hand him over to The Hague.

2026-02-25 15:22:36 CET

Raymond Reddington's Blacklist and the Cabal come to mind...
#nevent1q…vn4c

2026-02-25 15:19:29 CET

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If you run a pruned node, old block data (including OP_RETURN data) can be deleted from disk AFTER validation.
But:
* Archival nodes keep it forever
* It remains part of the historical blockchain
* It is still propagated and validated by the network
We can also talk about how this differs from inscriptions or witness-based data, because that’s where the real storage debates start.

2026-02-25 15:11:50 CET

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Das problem mit den no-KYC Platformen ist das sie nicht wirklich no-KYC sind. Leute überweisen einfach Geld an andere Leute über das SEPA network und meistens kennen sie den Counterpart nicht. Die andere Person kann ein Drogendealer sein, Terrorist oder sonst was. Wenn das Konto des Counterparts geflagged wird - werden automatisch alle Konten die mit der Person zu tun hatten auch geflagged.
Dh. wenn der non-KYC counterpart wegen irgendwas verhaftet wird (zb Geldwäsche durch Crypto) steht dann auch bei dir bald die Kripo vor der Tür. P2P ist nur gut wenn das von person-zu-person ist und nicht über das legacy Banking network abgewickelt wird.

2026-02-25 15:07:42 CET

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Wenn du erstmal aus dem system - in welchem du durch Jahreslanges bezahlen von Pflichtbeiträgen steckst - aussteigst ändert sich das alles von einem Tag auf den anderen. Wenn du ins Ausland gehst interessiert es keine Sau wo und wie du dein Geld verdienst und ob du dafür Steuern oder Sozialabgaben leistest. Du musst nicht mal non-KYC machen. Ich mache quasi erst seitdem ich wieder in der BRD bin non-KYC. Die letzten 14 Jahre war das unwichtig und auch davor schon mit fiat Geld.
Du kommst aus dem scam nicht raus solange du denkst du kannst in dem selben Umfeld weiterleben. Aber wenn du erstmal raus bist existierst du quasi nicht mehr und du kannst mit DEINEM Geld machen was du willst.

2026-02-25 15:00:34 CET

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I didn't expect my "seamless" switching to the new landline would take three weeks and 1und1 hasn't responded yet to the Attorney's request to release the landline "immediately" for non-fulfilment of the contract. O2 can't connect for as long as they're sitting on the landline they've reserved.
That's some crazy shit!

2026-02-25 14:58:42 CET

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Yeah!

2026-02-25 14:58:07 CET

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Thanks! It was goooood!

2026-02-25 14:57:24 CET

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My carb intake has no top. I have a condition 😉

2026-02-25 14:55:41 CET

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"Nobody is above the law!"
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2026-02-25 14:52:12 CET

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В школе нам следовало бы преподавать русский язык вместо английского. Тогда я бы хотя бы понимал людей на улице. Я говорю на четырех языках, и здесь я не понимаю ни слова.

2026-02-25 14:47:53 CET

In the News: "Bill Gates spoke about his contacts with convicted sex offender Epstein during the Epstein investigations. He also admitted to affairs with Russian women. He apologized for his connections to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Alright, if he said sorry it's all good, right? Carry on...

2026-02-25 13:31:18 CET

Beautiful day calls for outdoor lunchstr. #foodstr
https://i.nostr.build/mTUGK6j1oQB9KNGL.jpg

2026-02-25 13:29:05 CET

1&1 is holding the reserved landline hostage so that the new provider can't claim it to connect my internet.
Now I need to deal with the Bundesnetzagentur to escalate this crap.
Motherfackas

2026-02-25 13:25:50 CET

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Очень круто, братан.

2026-02-25 13:24:35 CET

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I'm considering it. It appears Russian is the new main language spoken in this country

2026-02-25 12:31:29 CET

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In other words.. the retail order book has been captured and there is no retail demand. Kinda sucks for "mass adoption"

2026-02-25 12:30:25 CET

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Great! GM again 😉

2026-02-25 12:24:46 CET

If you live in Germany you should take some of these classes. Being able to speak the language can do wonders for you.
#nevent1q…suyg

2026-02-25 12:20:47 CET

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"You have to exit the system to actually exit the system" 😉

2026-02-25 12:15:09 CET

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Buenas dias amigo!

2026-02-25 12:14:53 CET

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GM Matt. How is the boat life?

2026-02-25 11:24:43 CET

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GM 🌞

2026-02-25 11:24:28 CET

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oh? schade.

2026-02-25 11:16:25 CET

GM #coffeechain ☕ 💜
https://media2.giphy.com/media/jfzvC4r5b8JTlqx3H9/giphy.gif

2026-02-25 11:12:48 CET

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That's not me! 🤣

2026-02-25 11:11:36 CET

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GM Rasha ☕

2026-02-24 13:34:15 CET

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Wait, what? 🤣

2026-02-24 13:14:07 CET

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Why not WebRTC with Opus + NIP-29? I debated the idea with my agent and here's the summary. Care to hear your thoughts on this.
For a NIP-29 group chat app, the cleanest “voice chat” implementation is:
1) Transport: WebRTC (real-time, NAT traversal, battle-tested)
Why: you get P2P audio with congestion control, jitter buffers, echo cancellation, device access, and NAT traversal (ICE/STUN/TURN) out of the box.
Codec: Opus (use this unless you have a very specific reason not to). It’s effectively the WebRTC audio codec and is designed for low-latency interactive audio like VoIP / in-game chat.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Guides/Formats/WebRTC_codecs
2) Signalling: use Nostr for session setup (offers/answers/ICE candidates)
Nostr is great as the signalling plane (exchange SDP + ICE candidates), while WebRTC carries the media.
A common approach:
When a user taps “Join voice” in a NIP-29 room, you publish encrypted signalling messages (offer/answer/candidates) to the other participant(s) (or to a coordinator) via Nostr.
There’s already discussion/precedent for doing WebRTC signalling over Nostr DMs.
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/issues/771
3) Topology decision (this is the real product choice)
A) Small groups (2–6 people): Mesh P2P
Everyone connects to everyone (N×(N−1) streams).
Pros: simplest infra (no media server), very “sovereign”.
Cons: scales poorly; uplink dies fast as people join.
B) Anything beyond small groups: SFU (Selective Forwarding Unit)
Each client sends one upstream audio stream to the SFU; SFU forwards to others.
Pros: scales to larger rooms; better UX on mobile/weak uplinks.
Cons: you run infra (but it can be self-hosted; still fits the Nostr ethos if you keep it modular).
If you want “Discord-like” rooms, you want an SFU.
4) Practical codec settings (sane defaults)
With Opus in WebRTC you typically ship:
48 kHz Opus, variable bitrate, 20 ms frames (WebRTC defaults are usually fine)
Enable DTX (silence suppression) for bandwidth savings in speech rooms
For “music mode” rooms, allow toggling off aggressive noise suppression/AGC (WebRTC defaults are voice-optimised)
5) Encryption & identity
WebRTC media is encrypted (DTLS-SRTP).
Nostr keys can authenticate who is allowed into the voice room (tie it to NIP-29 membership/moderation rules). NIP-29 is explicitly about relay-managed closed groups.
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/29.md
TL;DR implementation pick
WebRTC + Opus for audio
Nostr for signalling (offers/answers/candidates), encrypted
Mesh for tiny rooms, SFU for real rooms

2026-02-24 12:55:45 CET

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I'd like to see a nostr native app with voice good as TeamSpeak's. Opus is probably the most suited for WebRTC
I'm surprised to see that this was a topic in '23 already.
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/issues/771

2026-02-24 12:42:06 CET

Fun fact... Some Nostrich's were zapping 21 sats as their default last time BTC was between 50-60k. They then went to 11 sats around 100k. Now we're back at 60k and they're still zapping 11 sats.
For one you're still thinking in fiat and... your maths sucks.

2026-02-24 12:38:33 CET

GoldPV - Peter's Vision
#nevent1q…d9vv

2026-02-24 12:37:31 CET

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Silver?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHjYt6Jm5j8