Bitcoin class of 2011. Seasteading advocate. Stop fighting, start floating. He who dies with the most Bitcoins wins.
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Last Notes npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker There is something to be said for reproducible builds, but that problem is miniscule compared to the very real problem of a small company making mistakes like coldcard did. They don't have the team going over every line of code for every update. A big company behind your wallet that is responsible to stockholders and has millions or billions of investment at stake won't be making such mistakes. I wish Walletscrutiny took that criteria into consideration. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I was very lucky, but the Coldcard fiasco cost me a lot, nonetheless. I have an MK2 and a Q! Neither got drained, but half of my life's savings used to be kept on each of them. Today that is held by a different company's hardware. When I learned of the problem I got out quickly but it's not a free thing to do... Those funds had to go somewhere. I wasn't just going to keep them in software wallets, right? I had to go find a new HW wallet that doesn't suck, & I could buy in person... Naturally none were near me. So I spent a chunk of my day driving to where I could buy one, paying for their markup, driving home and then moving all my stash into a single piece of hardware instead of it more comfortably resting on two devices. Frankly I want even more than 2 but I refuse to have it shipped to my home address and getting a PO Box just to ship a single package or two to me doubles (or worse) the price. But I feel I have to do that soon anyway. Safety first. So without even being a victim, I wonder how many people are spending multiple hundreds of dollars today over Coldcard's mistake? Could you imagine if we all asked for them to cover these bills? Lol. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker There are other options to self custody. Look at Bitkey. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Banks steal all kinds of things from deposit boxes. Anyone keeping bitcoin keys in one Is a fool. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Zero insurers will be interested the moment that they learn that user understanding of technical concepts including cryptography play a major role in these coins' safety. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Yeah, but we made fun of Pomp quite a lot. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Lol, yeah, there's no need at all to securely store secrets and have them accessible when you need them. What were we all thinking? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Those people do great escaping with Bitcoin. Just ask the HRF. They did a huge paper on it. And your license plate metaphor doesn't hold up under any scrutiny at all. Show me in a lightning, Cashu, or liquid explorer where my BTC lightning plate is. Only fools stupid enough to use exchanges (with full KYC) could be tracked. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I see. So instead of taking a Porsche and covering it in vantablack stealth tech so it can't be seen by radar, let's just take a beat-up old black tricycle and do the same to it. Surely that'll make it much better! You monero freaks never seem to get that bitcoiners want the best money, not just money you can buy drugs with. We want our money to be completely scarce, so it holds value better than fiat. Monero claims to do this, but how could you possibly do this if no one can audit your chain? Privacy is a joke if it's not on layer two. End of discussion. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker It was never bad in any way, but it was also never easy to import those seeds back into it to make them useful. You really need a dedicated thermal printer for it, so you can print out a QR code for every key you generate there. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker "Bitcoin provides no privacy" - Lie #1. It can be more private than Monero if you know how to use it well. "your wallet can be de-anonymised by anyone on the network who has a KYC wallet in the chain somewhere." - Lie #2. Seriously, who makes up this stuff? Do you mean like for people who use exchanges or something? Connecting an IP address to a wallet isn't KYC. Lulz. Maybe I was too quick to call you a genius. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Uh-huh. Clearly. I'm as dumb as a rock and you're a genius. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Crazy to think she accomplished all of that after jiggling her naked bits in her first few films around 1962. Had such a great body... npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I do. But I'm not retarded so I run a Bitcoin node instead of that one. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I came to ask about this too... Keychat is Nostr-based and the best chat I've ever seen. Zero KYC. It literally can't be improved upon. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I'm not knocking intent or bravery, just results. This is not the effective battlefield to be fighting flock on. The 4th amendment is very clear on this point and if you believe in your republic, it is clear that legislators should be making this bullshit illegal. It should never have been approved at all and someone needs some jailtime for implementing them. I am not able to believe that the same republic that just let Israel buy Massy's seat in congress would be able to do that though... So in the short term, maybe it would make sense for me to go out and cancel a few of these cameras. But that's a risk my family shouldn't have to pay for if I'm caught. Honestly, this government is in full dumpster fire mode. The only rational moves are to 1. Move to a less evil jurisdiction. 2. Go start up a new jurisdiction on the waves. (Or on mars even) npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker That whole world of exchanges, Saylor, the price of bitcoin in dollars, absolutely all of that doesn't apply to a bitcoiner. You're living in a different world than me and nothing you are saying has any importance in reality. 1 sat = 1 sat forever, and saylor can go eat shit. And Bitcoin can be more private that monero if you know how to use it. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker More fair to say that shitcoiners are flooding nostr. The Monerotards were here for a while and we tolerate them more easily. But last month or so the BCHNostr crowd grew absolutely huge. At times my feeds would be 100% people with "BCHNostr" as part of their usernames, even when the people posting with them have no idea what bitcoin cash is! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker People are rising against flock, but to say it actually works is a stretch. Have you been to deflock.org yet? There's like 17 of these things surrounding my house alone. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Anyone who moved to other chains has automatically and forever outed themselves as very much not smart. They gave up the greatest store of wealth mankind has ever created for a scam, plain & simple. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Just since 2011. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker When BIP110 fails miserably, absolutely nothing with bitcoin will change. Not one thing. Most of us won't even notice. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker https://nostrvpn.org/ npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker But it's not Bitcoin, so HARD PASS. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Fun little game! I was always horrible at mario but this at least keeps my entertained. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I just can't take the thought of forcing a circular economy on any place within the 1st world seriously. Circular economies work great, and exist today, in places where the money is broken. Check out the profiles from each of the circular economies on FCBE.io for a few minutes and you'll catch the vibe easily; those in places with strong fiat and banks are just cute little 'hopes & prayers' projects. All of those across africa and other places with bad or no banks are flourishing. It's just that simple. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I must have failed to lay it out properly then. The fact that profitability is no longer as important as being present at the source of energy isn't up for debate. Every scale of bitcoin mining that isn't in your own home is currently either at a power generation site, or it is moving to one. Furthermore, every power producer, including all the biggies like texaco, BP, shell, even government-owned sites, they're all working on putting an appropriate amount of bitcoin mining equipment in their mix because before bitcoin existed, it was never possible to have a buyer of last resort for their product. That one fact has changed the world economy in an undeniable way, much like gunpowder did. Gunpowder was an invention that if you didn't embrace, you die. Bitcoin mining is an invention that if power companies don't embrace, they become unable to compete & they die too. They'd just be losing too much money on the table during their grid's off-peak hours. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Seeing that they control an address with lots of coins in it is LIGHT YEARS ahead of what we had in the legacy system. It's a damn good start, and once companies normalize this much transparency, the rest is incremental, small asks. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker The tree of Tyranny must be watered with the blood of the Naughty from time to time... npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Wow that is steady. Never seen one one dying with such grace before! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Dallas npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Awesome. Get that boy on Defcad.com asap! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Interesting. Do you think my Texas heat will kill it? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Beautiful. Where does it grow? I would have assumed not in a desert but you've got palm trees there... npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Anyone else experiencing some major Cringe whenever they hear "Proud to be an American" this year? (Which you can't avoid today in the US) I keep thinking, "Read the room, people." npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Um, you're not sure that *all the energy producers in the world* intermittently mining with their excess energy would be enough to offset what you think will be lost? That's like saying you're not sure that the pacific ocean produces enough fish to offset the lost salmon from your plate last night at Captain D's. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker but-why.gif npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I doubt everything this israelishill says, but at least this time I think it sounds pretty awesome! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker No, it's not obvious, for a few reasons. Did you know that there have been days of fees far exceeding block rewards? On April 20, 2024, miners earned over $80 million in transaction fees in a single day, far surpassing the $26 million earned from block subsidies. It doesn't matter than this was just a spike in the ordinals craze... The point is that the mining infrastructure THRIVED with all that traffic and payments still go through that day. But more importantly, bitcoin mining has massively changed in the last 5 years. The big plants like HUT8, Marathon, and Bitdeer are losing ground to the energy companies. Nowadays, "profitability" isn't as important as simply being available at the source of energy production. Imagine you have an oil well or windfarm or some kind of energy to sell and the grid wants to buy it from you at different rates for the different times of the day. Because the nearby city has a massive solar field already, your energy is only worth a lot to them at nighttime. So what do you do with the energy that you produce during the day? Bitcoin mining at ANY profitability would be a way to save massive amounts of revenue for you. For this reason alone, bitcoin mining will always have enough miners, and always be attractive in all jurisdictions. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker "an insidious effort to have prediction markets replace representative democracy as a governance model" At this point, we should all hope for an insidious effort of absolutely ANYTHING to replace representative democracy.... All it ever brings us anymore is pedophile, Israeli-chosen puppets! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker ...But...they...have...their...own...coin.... I mean WTF? I can only conclude that they're happy to have more crabs in the bucket. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Why are shitcoins like solana, stellar, ripple & polygon on here? I mean who asked them? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Mine as even more convincing than that... It used my name and the sender's account was labeled as "[email protected] " at the top. I mean it couldn't resist sending them my 5m sats... Who could?? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Ok, but that didn't really remove their power, did it? The subject at hand was the clergy's loophole to be able to control other men. Look no further than the Vatican or any theocracy to see that they still have power today. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker "who is going to pay miners? " I've literally heard that question every single market low. 1 out of every 4 years... And the other three years are all record profits for miners, even when mempools are empty. Also, with AI they have fallbacks for their data centers during unprofitable months too, now. About drivechains, I really don't know why people hold them up to compare to lightning at all. This is a category error IMHO. Lightning is optimized for fast, cheap, high-volume payments while drivechains are for feature experimentation & new asset types. It's honestly closer to ethereum. Then there are many downsides to drivechains, even if you care about exploring new features more than you do hard money. Where to start? I can think of 4 no-gos right off the top of my head: 1. They have a serious miner custody risk. Probably the biggest technical objection is that withdrawals are gated by a simple hashrate majority (the spec uses a roughly 50%-of-blocks-over-~13,150-blocks threshold). This hands miners, rather than users or cryptography, effective custody over sidechained funds, creating a bribery/collusion attack surface. (A coalition with enough hashpower could approve a fraudulent withdrawal bundle and steal sidechain BTC!) Developer "Calle" has argued BIP300 drivechains grant miners excessive authority and could enable a hashpower majority to misappropriate funds. 2. Slow, capital-inefficient withdrawals. The ~3-month withdrawal delay is a deliberate security tradeoff (giving the network time to detect and react to fraudulent bundles), but it's much slower and clunkier than Lightning's near-instant settlement, making Drivechains far less suited to everyday payments. This makes them fine for developers playing with small amounts of coins for development only, but horrible for use as money. 3. The "shitcoinification" of Bitcoin. Most maximalists worry that opening this door invites speculative, low-quality, or scammy projects riding on Bitcoin's brand, which could reflect poorly on Bitcoin even if technically isolated. 4. No live mainnet deployment & stalled consensus. BIP 300 has been a "Draft" status proposal since 2017 and has never achieved the miner/community consensus needed for activation; it remains contentious within Bitcoin dev circles, with prominent developers opposed. So as far as I'm concerned, drivechains are DOA. That's a shame, because I'd like to see many 2nd layers bloom on top of bitcoin until the public chooses the best one and we all run with that. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Oh good. How so? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Good to know. Been meaning to try it out for years myself... This time I think I will. Cheers! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Yes, let's quote the organization behind bitcoin cash about lightning statistics. That'll surely win me away from lightning! "All the available data" you are quoting here is hilarious. I already told you how to figure it out for yourself instead of listening to its' haters. But you won't, you're a poser. And now you're muted. Have fun with your shitcoins. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker That's exactly what they pointlessly tried to do. And they still don't understand that they've failed to do that at scale. The lightning network alone already routes more payments every minute than BCH can do all day. If they ever experienced any real popularity like BTC did back in 2017, they'd suffer the same fate, no matter how large their blocksize is. Meanwhile, having a large blocksize restricts everyday plebs from running a node. Hardware costs go sky high pretty quickly as you raise that particular number. That means very few nodes on BCH exist (comparitively) and if bitcoiners wanted to, we could redirect a few nodes of our own and 51% attack BCH quite easily. It has been done several times. So ultimately keeping payments on-chain is a security issue. The final boss for bitcoin is state attack, and that would be like handing them a leash around our necks. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Sigh... Or maybe you are half the Austrian you claim to be. (Ok, technically you didn't, but you still would have been exposed to it.) Since I was already aware of Mises/Rothbard/Austrian economics before bitcoin, I knew right up front that money lives and dies by the network effect, so they exist in competition and there could only be one. I have played with a few coins in those years, but I made it clear from the beginning that altcoins were only stealing bitcoin's thunder and should be shunned. We have bitcoin testnet for those things, of course it may have been naive of me back then to imagine millions of devs would try out their apps and features with so little hope of monetary compensation that route provides. Yes, I was aware of the "bitcoin is non-fungible money" camp back then but I was on the side arguing against them, stating that it's already more fungible than a dollar bill, with it's serial numbers and banking network that can track stolen dollars. The mission for everyone was to separate money from state back then, so to say that "nobody" would have accepted an only Slightly-more fungible money than what we already had but that the state can't control is absolutely a silly argument. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Do you recommend powder of gummies? Why? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I hate to barge in but you do realize that politicians weren't the only type of power back then, right? The loophole exists for the clergy, now didn't it? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker But I don't store money anywhere but my hardware wallet. The only value that gets stored for me at banks throughout each month is negative. So frozen databases would only prevent me from spending their credit. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I did coinjoin before cold storage, many many moons ago, thanks. And of course I have no aversion to using banks. Banks will exist in a bitcoin-only world if for no other reason that giving us credit. I do realize that Strike or Cashapp could get hacked so my info there is limited and I'm a gun owner anyway. This velvet cage works better than other L2s at the moment, and they allow me to pay zero dollars in taxes, to boot. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker LOL! You think that the present day fees are representative of bitcoin's TX throughput? ;p Your assumption must be that lightning, liquid, eCash, Fedi, and other L2 solutions have all failed and didn't move any traffic off-chain. That's pretty pathetic, seriously. You are tangibly wrong and the only retarded liar here. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Lol; the old "Everyone I don't like is hitler" response. I'll take that as a formal admission of defeat. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker But it's not a ghost town, sorry. You're just wrong about that. I think that just because you don't see all the different uses yourself you imagine that they don't exist at all. Even in the country of Peru alone I bet there is more bitcoin traffic than your mind would accept as a global number. Meanwhile, taking the time to go search for this, even in the age of AI, wouldn't fit your narrative very well. How much would it hurt you to ask ChatGPT to compare bitcoin's global traffic, including all 2nd layers, to say, visa's traffic in terms of total money and transactions? I'm guessing it would only hurt your pride. Adoption is a little ugly right now as it always is during the low part of the 4-year cycle, but not beneath the normal low point... Meanwhile new apps, communities, circular economies, and even network layers are being created at a more than encouraging pace. & I don't care what Saylor thinks, I'm no MSTR fanboi. If he said it's done I'll be surprised, but he certainly hasn't sold many of his 840,000 BTC so even his own words are insignificant to his actions. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Then I'm guessing you were there to shitcoin. All the bitcoin maximalists I followed in those days would have argued against this narrative, excepting, of course, Roger Ver & Erik Voorheez, who later went on to shitcoin themselves. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker And yet, it's a sidechain. You keep advocating for them. I personally have nothing against federated custodianship like liquid and Fedi, but I trust bitcoin more so my money stays there. In theory it's far, far more reliable than the federal reserve since all of the companies invited to be a part of that federation are self-interested to protect bitcoin. (Their businesses would lose revenue if they harmed it.) What would be your ideal sidechain? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker By the way, you said: "Altcoins were supposed to be demos that, when proven reliable, were to have their features integrated into Bitcoin." I bet you can't find a source from the old documentation (pre-2017) on that. I'm pretty sure that's a narrative invented by altcoiners and just repeated enough to gaslight bitcoiners. Ossification is a VERY desirable property of a monetary system. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I can't believe it. How are you defining whales? They sure as hell haven't been here two 4-year cycles yet. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker And by the way, liquid is a sidechain. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I can't image why you think "people must use lightning through a trusted third party (like lightspark)" First of all, who is lightspark? Never heard of them. Secondly, assuming your point is about custodial lightning solutions, why not use liquid, or eCash like Cashu? Or run your own lightning node and be your own custodian? Or just stay on chain for now because the cost of a TX is almost always 1 sat per byte these days. The greatest thing about bitcoin's scaling solution is that it's not set in stone... It's a free market where anyone, from you to JP Morgan can add their own "layer 2 solutions" to make bitcoin payments practical. Many have, and the market will decide in time which everyone wants to use. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker If you think Saylor and even core devs like Zhao have "Sabotaged bitcoin's future" then you think far too little of bitcoin. It's more resilient than you imagine, and has only gotten stronger each day of the last 17 years, not weaker. Saylor has added a (very annoying) layer to bitcoin's interface to wall street. I wouldn't own that crap, but wall street traders, hedgefund managers, and others who play that game can appreciate. I'm very annoyed at it and all that ETF money moving the price of bitcoin around, but how does any of that change or weaken bitcoin's ability to produce a valid block every 10 minutes? It doesn't, therefore bitcoin will succeed one day. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker That's not a chad move, That's getting bitcoin banned in every jurisdiction like monero is. Meanwhile, bitcoin is extremely private if you know how to use it well. (Such as self-custodial lightning or eCash.) No need for monero once those are better implimented. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker The argument for bitcoin always has and always will be that it is mankind's one single shot at trying to separate money from state. The challenge is that money itself, the very concept of it, is a network good, meaning that it lives & dies by the network effect. The more people that trade their dollars or altcoins or any other tokens in for bitcoin, the stronger it becomes, and the more successful we are at separating money from state. Humanity is only going to get exactly 1 chance at doing that. Governments will see us coming miles away next time. They already see us, but bitcoin is too large for them to stop. Not so with any other coin. So if Bitcoin fails, for any reason, you can expect CDBCs to be the new definition of money for tens of thousands of years. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker This point was brought up by roughly 50,000 pre-bitcoin maximalists during the years of 2012-2017. I have missed it! Very, very cute little misunderstanding you've got there, which led to the creation of most altcoins. But once you research bitcoin more you'll become a maximalist yourself. I highly recommend you grab a copy of Saifedean Ammous' The Bitcoin Standard to correct this misunderstanding. A free way to do the same faster is to read through the Nakamoto Institute Library at: https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/ Keep in mind that Bitcoin has the only design anyone has ever come up with to separate money from state. Mining seems wasteful to someone new to the subject, but Proof of Work is one of those once-in-10-millenium discoveries that will absolutely blow your brain when it clicks. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Of course! Bitcoiners are all trying to separate money from state, but the challenge is that money itself, the very concept of it, is a network good, meaning that it lives & dies by the Network Effect. The more people that trade their dollars or euros or altcoins or any other tokens in for bitcoin, the stronger it becomes, and the more successful we are at separating money from state. Humanity is only going to get exactly 1 chance at doing that. Governments will see us coming miles away next time. So if Bitcoin fails, for any reason, you can expect CDBCs to be the new definition of money for tens of thousands of years. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker We're not even from the same planet, you and me. Money is the most killer app in my entire galaxy, and for humanity's entire freaking existence, it was something the state had to run or at least had the power to take away from us and force us to use their unbacked tickets that they inflate to infinity 100% of the time. Bitcoin completely destroyed that, and guess what? ZERO of your cute little tokens can even hope for a moment to do the same. But have fun putting your monkey jpegs on them, I'm sure history will remember your enormous heroism. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker "all real world commerce has fled to other useful blockchains" Ah, so you're just trolling me. Whew... You had me there at the first part, not gonna lie. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker There's just this chute in my apartment I drop things down... But when I was a homeowner, everything was picked up at the curb. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Nice! Where do you insert the pineapples? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I'd have to actually go to a dump first. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Did I call for gatekeeping? I'm just calling them hypocrites and asking how we mute them better. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Tell me you don't know what censorship resistance is without telling me you're a flaming retard. Those are EXCHANGES, not bitcoin. Jesus! And don't talk to me about fungibility. Dollar bills have serial numbers on them, they are still accepted 1:1 for each other unless blacklisted at a bank that is watching for them. Exactly the same here, except there is no formal network of banks watching. You're being silly. Bitcoin's fungibility is fine, and coins can be washed far easier than dollars if you're paranoid. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Mad respect for you for owning up to that! If I drank alcohol I'd have bought something from you long before now. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Altcoins have been around since 2013. I played with quite a few that year. When Ethereum launched, I was an insider in the right place at the right time, who could be sitting on $Billion$ right now if I didn't have my "high & mighty" bitcoin maximalist attitude. I'm not sorry. That attitude exists, in all of the old school bitcoiners, to do exactly one thing: To protect bitcoin's censorship resistance. Something no altcoin or stablecoin will ever have. It served us very, very well during the blocksize war. Just because you don't value censorship resistance (which is, let's face it, the only thing that keeps governments from stopping a competitor) doesn't mean bitcoiners don't. We're still laser focused on that task. Calling bitcoin's utility "Speculative" makes you look like a state-loving bootlicker. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker THANK YOU. Finally someone gets it. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker No, I don't like BCH. Pinoys are awesome. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Not a bot farm. Thousands of real users. Maybe even on path to become larger than us. I tried muting BCH stuff, they still get through. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Such naivety to think that geniuses would want anything to do with government. These people have higher standards than that. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I see what's going on here. You are convinced that if bitcoin users use lightning, they are no longer self-sovereign because of the 2nd-tier custodians. I guess there was a time when I would have argued that point too, maybe back in 2016. But you lose sight of the goal with this argument; We are trying to make money that the government can't stop us from using. Uncensorable cash. That's bitcoin's reason to exist. Lightning extends that goal for everyone, although it's not completely private for everyone. Privacy is great, but not the goal here. Think of privacy as a secondary goal for bitcoin that anyone at all can achieve under certain circumstances, but just isn't easy to deploy on a global scale. Those who tried to do that before forked off into Monero and 50 other privacy coins. The real goal is hard enough and Satoshi somehow, against all odds, delivered it and privacy all in one package. And then as bitcoin grew popular all the normies wanted to keep their coins on exchanges and other custodians for speed's sake, and even that doesn't scale enough so we needed something like the lightning network. So do I think something better than Lightning can be created for the sake of offering privacy? Sure. You betcha. But just that took 10 years, and you sure as hell aren't going to get me to use it if there's the faintest whiff of that network sacrificing uncensorability. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I'm quite cool with Cashu too. In fact, the more options we have that use Bitcoin as their underlying money, the better. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Almost, mostly against me. But it's pretty clear that no one else here is a blocksize war vet and don't feel as insulted as I do. Guess I'll just have to get with the times. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Wow, you guys just have no grounds in reality. Bitcoin is still an open source project and ossification is protection from the bigger threat, which you seem to welcome. Altcoins await your future. Keep that crapthink away from bitcoin! npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Lol, no. The problems you think lightning has are way overstated. If you think it's parasitic in nature, then you are calling me a parasite for collecting fees on my node. I guess you're not big into free markets and entrepreneuralism, huh? npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker It's awesome at decentralization. No other money had that feature before. Decentralization has a price, which is measurable in transactions per second. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Wow, I forget sometimes that this knowledge isn't obvious, even to normies. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Oh sure, I've asked every merchant in the world, they all gave me a detailed report... Good luck verifying anything that can be put behind TOR. All you can really do is look at communities and lightning network statistics, what little that can be gathered. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker That was a typo? I understood it perfectly. 👍 npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker All of the communities at http://FBCE.io use lightning. It works great for these people, as well as every schoolkid in El Salvador who learns it in their classrooms. It works great for Steak & Shake, where I can walk in and buy anything on their menu in seconds. Why don't you go test that one out for yourself if you don't believe it. I don't know what your problem is with lightning but to claim that Drivechains would have been better makes you sound like you have no clue what bitcoin devs had to do to scale BTC while keeping it sovereign. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker That explains a lot. Every day of 2017 was a day of bitcoiners suffering psychological attacks on every level from the mainstream media to our own "trusted" companies like Coinbase & BitGo. They took over forums like bitcointalk and r/btc. These guys were all so pernicious it felt like a real war at times, because they could just not act in good faith. That kind of focused energy against you takes a toll. All of that split off into bitcoin cash and we were so happy for them to fork away into their own insignificant coin... Until, of course, they started declaring that Lightning is dead to everyone who would listen. And that trend has lasted several years now, typically as a tactic to swell BCH's ranks. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I know the argument but I disagree. Unless someone invented a way to made On-chain payments scale without the centralizing tradeoffs, Bitcoin had no other way to make it to visa-level TX activity. Now we've surpassed that, and as a lightning node runner it's given me an income, too. I know it took some time to get here but lightning is great now. Not quite perfect, but millions use it every day around the world and it's now proven tech. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker You've got a great way of looking at it, but as a veteran of the blocksize war, this just feels wrong. I guess time will sort out the bad actors among them. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker The side that is muting you now. You sound so desperate that my face experienced 3 separate cringes during that rant. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Missed that... I guess because my feed was crowded out with so many BCHNostr posts. Still, don't you agree that this particular group doing this particular thing is insulting since they spent years declaring that "lightning doesn't work, so you need BCH." npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of normal people are here because of BCH. That must be it. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker It is nature healing, I guess. I do hope this brings them back to bitcoin eventually. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker I agree; but that particular group doing that particular thing is insulting since they spent years declaring that lightning doesn't work, so you need BCH. npub12u423pq5c6c5gvyzlekk5u9s5ksnyd27yemuvu3l9gpqpcnx545s6f8pyh LukeParker We were mad at BCH people since 2017. Try to keep up.