Author of The Genesis Book. Former Editor-in-Chief at Bitcoin Magazine.
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Last Notes npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Roy npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum It’s a jihadist regime that killed thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of its own citizens earlier this year. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum There is a US airbase in Abu Dhabi, but the UAE government is explicitly not letting the Americans use it to attack Iran. Nevertheless this is the excuse the IRGC is giving: they say they’re “just” attacking US bases and assets. (If true they would appear to have very bad aim.) It seems more like the Jihadist regime is basically taking the entire region hostage to gain leverage in this war. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum So I’ve been living in Dubai since last summer. Not because I like the city — I don't — but because my girlfriend lived there when we met and she wasn't quite ready to leave yet. Admittedly the tax benefit is nice too. Earlier this week we decided to get out however, at least for a couple of weeks, to see how the situation develops without being in the middle of it. The uncertainty of it all and potential for escalation is just not a comfortable situation to be in. With that said, daily life in Dubai was in fact quite normal still when we left— just a bit more quiet. The Starbucks is open, the sports bar serves cold Guinness, and Domino’s is delivering to your doorstep. There were missile alerts on our phones maybe once a day, and we could sometimes hear the sound of an explosion, mostly from interceptions I believe. But other than that, if you wouldn't watch the news, you may not even know something was going on. I’ve seen reports on reputable international news media suggesting that influencers are required to convey a positive image of Dubai in these times— and are being barred from posting anything negative about what’s going on. I don’t know to what extent that’s true — I wouldn’t put it past the local authorities — but I do know that I am myself not some Dubai propagandist or Emir simp, yet I also got the impression that the UAE government is dealing with the attacks quite well, so far at least. Also on the topic of influencers, I have seen a good amount of schadenfreude on social media etc. with people mocking the "influencer class" that now finds itself in the middle of rocket fire. I get it and part of me even feels the same way. But you know, most people in Dubai aren't influencers. In fact, most people in Dubai are actually guest workers from places like South and Southeast Asia that work in the UAE to send money back to their family. And if shit really would hit the fan, guess who'll actually be most likely to get stuck there without an easy way home? Yeah probably not the influencer class. If things in Dubai do take a turn for the worse from here and we don't return, I won't miss the city personally— but I will feel bad for these millions of people that were just living their lives peacefully until the jihadist regime across the sea decided to drag them into a war none of them had anything to do with, and no one wanted to be part of. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum https://knotslies.com/ npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum For anyone interested, there’s now a Telegram channel to discuss BIP110 URSF specifics: https://t.me/+svDDMRJtO8UzMzNk (Alternatively there is also still the ##ursf channel on Libera.Chat IRC.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Bitcoin Core developers have explicitly said users are free to run different software: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2025/06/06/relay-statement/ What people like myself are sick of are the lies and deceptive rhetoric around all of this, and the toxic environment it creates. https://image.nostr.build/8efdfa24cd99d27503dcc1f4b90d64cf9e15a6d01c8c0ab64ae6efddd155ede1.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum You didn't address @nprofile…tqyx's point-- instead you just got triggered by the word "censoring". npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Keep digging that hole buddy you're doing great. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum The day Bitcoin Core developers bend to the pressure of a misguided Twitter mob riled up by populist social media influencers, instead of merging code based on their best technical judgement, is the day the codebase should be forked to re-establish sound engineering practices. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Liar. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum What if I think the default is the best option? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum If 90% of the network runs on defaults that is because 90% of users voluntarily decide to do that. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Luke-jr moving through the Bitcoin space. https://image.nostr.build/5979694561f31f2f302384b34752c998875e531f8e3eb6c65f170f3067d79989.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Yes I agree with your premise. I would also encourage the development of a URSF for that reason, if you (or anyone else) don't consider it a waste of your time and effort. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I doubt it would represent a significant loss, and in fact I suspect that adopting BIP110 would harm the value of bitcoin more than losing these people would. But without fork futures markets --which I'm very much in favour of!-- it's anyone's guess unless and until there actually is a split. (That's another argument for a URSF btw, it would enable a very well defined fork futures market.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum No miners are currently signaling support for BIP110, so investing time and effort in developing a URSF client seems like a waste of time and effort at this time (to me, anyways). Much easier to just use the rejectblock command post-fork if a BIP110 block that forks the chain is ever mined. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Devs can't do that. They can only release free and open source software that users can then voluntarily decide to run-- or not. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Name one prominent small blocker from the block size war era besides Luke who's now in favour of BIP110? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I was tagged in an X post by @npub1r8l…x5dk correctly dismantling the false narrative that BIP110 is today largely supported by the small block faction of the block size war era. There’s been a bunch of stolen valor post-block size wars: maxis that associated themselves with the small block movement, but actually weren’t around at all during the 2015-2017 years, or at least weren’t well-known at the time. Out of the prominent small blockers of these days, I believe *only* @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk is now in favour of BIP110. Everyone else that I can think of is either against it, or maybe in a few cases still kind of neutral/undecided. FWIW https://x.com/stephanlivera/status/2022168410554347810 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum No one “votes” with a node. (And that’s a good thing because if that were the case Bitcoin would be trivially Sybil-attacked!) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Question for the taco plebs: which dev team is more centralized, Bitcoin Core or Bitcoin Knots? #nevent1q…tj9e npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum No one is hard forking. If they don't want to soft fork that's totally fine by me but then they should probably also quit the dumb posturing that does nothing but maybe waste people's time and attention. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum So you gonna take on one of these fork futures offers, or just shitpost about things you don’t understand for clout? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum If you always find yourself on the opposite end of expert consensus you don’t have an independent mind— you’re a brainless contrarian. #note1awr…pvnw npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Wrong. #nevent1q…g5ze npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I’d been encouraging Bcashers to fork off for probably over a year before they finally did it, because I and many others were tired of hearing their dumb Bitcoin Core/Blockstream conspiracy nonsense. Sounds familiar yet? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum See, the error in your thinking is that you think "hard fork" means "chain split", and "soft fork" means "no chain split". npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum It's not essentially a hard fork-- it's a soft fork. And it doesn't necessarily have to be done by Core. (Nor do I think their reputation is deteriorated in the eyes of serious people.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Little incentive to invest time and effort in creating a URSF client when there’s ~no support for a UASF in the first place. Post-fork, in the unlikely scenario that a re-org becomes even a even slightly feasible risk, a simple checkpoint suffices. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum There probably won’t be a re-org either because BIP110 never gets a majority of hash power, or because a re-org is simply prevented with a URSF/checkpoint/whatever. (Or both.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum The Knots crowd has become toxic enough that I do in fact hope they fork off. I’ll happily sell my BIP110 coins back to them—assuming there will be enough blocks on this chain for these transactions to confirm—and they can go their Bcash way. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Bitcoin is now trading lower than when “pro-crypto president” (read: shitcoin scammer) Trump was elected. Some seriously thought getting him in office would speedrun us to hyperbitcoinization. Instead we got a temporary price pump and perhaps significant brand damage for anyone not in the MAGA cult. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I visited “Bitcoin Jungle” (Uvita, CR) a few days this week. Normally when I go to circular economy projects (Arnhem, Rovereto, El Zonte…) I link up with the organizer(s) and seek out the locations where I can pay with bitcoin, but this time I decided to run the experiment a bit differently: I just went to wherever I felt like going and then asked if they accepted BTC. Out of about a dozen places I visited… 1 accepted bitcoin. (S/O to The Fistcuff Pub!) 1 had a Bitcoin Jungle sticker but didn’t actually take bitcoin payments. (Whale Tail Brewery) 1 did not accept bitcoin but seemed genuinely interested and would look into it. (Coffee Bear) Out of the other ~10, about half just said no, and the other half clearly didn’t even know what bitcoin was. So is this a bad result? Frankly, it’s roughly what I would have expected. I’ve long believed that spurring bitcoin adoption by convincing merchants is an uphill battle. You might get a few boutique shops and bars to participate, and then they find it’s kind of a pain to teach all their personnel how to use wallets just for maybe a handful of bitcoiners that show up once in a while. I do like these projects, and if you _do_ seek out the bitcoin accepting spots you can probably go a long way without touching fiat for a few days— yet we also shouldn’t overstate the success or impact of such local initiatives. I suspect it might just be a bit too early for this still… but if we do want to create hotspots with truly widespread adoption, what would that require? I’d say: - Instant fiat conversion is probably a must. - Printable QR codes (BOLT12/Silent Payments) to make it easier for merchants to keep accepting BTC even if sparsely used. - Ideally there’d be a source of “fresh” BTC that’s brought into the economy, whether that’s from local miners, or expats that get paid in bitcoin, or Bitcoin tourists, or… - Ability to pay tax in BTC would be great but probably a long-shot in most places. - What else?.. https://image.nostr.build/f8676261e4c940d0711e71bb2c222d6e4758546662d143b08a20f66ebdbbcc40.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum There is nothing to disagree on, it’s a fact. You’ve been misinformed. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Matthew Kratter (@npub1s33…252p) will talk shit about Bitcoin Core devs and other bitcoiners from behind his monitor reading out pre-written scripts all day long, but he does not even have the balls to come on a podcast and defend his position. #note1syd…unvj npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://image.nostr.build/4bddedb03b2ad50ea0ee31bd121ee101d4e4350400575bbd942d7d4971734e84.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum There is nothing in Bitcoin Core 30 that makes it harder to run nodes. (Also see @nprofile…vgs2's response.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Nonsense. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum These are the projects pushing this vision forward. Not these "anti-spam" LARPers. #nevent1q…3meu npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Do you think bitcoin should be used for monetary transactions? Use bitcoin for monetary transactions, then. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum It does. Rules without rulers. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum FWIW I agree you don’t have to be an anarchist to use Bitcoin. …But Bitcoin *is* an anarchist form of money. If you don’t like that, use fiat. #note10cp…0f7z npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Yo @npub1s33…252p let’s do this. https://image.nostr.build/bcbd1729be5b5a9b5ad0292cb02512abbacfc048ea8a062c146b651ba1b070b1.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Wait a minute… @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk what gives? https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/1986552777913303125 https://image.nostr.build/b45ef982e296a8229831816e0e16c566f8c04cd2153597ee12aa118614ed945d.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Meanwhile, @npub1azr…jl96 says he is committed to finding consensus for his proposal within the technical community. https://image.nostr.build/3e24d8f9ca1068b47efbcee022a1284082cebb457e0b0450e557cba21f434394.jpg https://image.nostr.build/bc07125ab2c5f0b61231b3c8143ceb363f6a4b2a185389df7940f4248458d039.png npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum In case anyone is wondering, for BIP444 @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk is willing to throw BIP8 soft fork activation overboard in favour of a flag day activation with no miner signaling. https://image.nostr.build/57cb51c7702a3429c057c1209caa4bcab3b75edeeb160fb5631aad9e6e2461fd.jpg https://image.nostr.build/f0c862ba598763af6982ad21e61a6129222ef99de027dc1008c3932bbb98fb15.png npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Of course, @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk is worried about fork futures because he knows that will effectively reveal the lack of support for his fork, just like it did for Segwit2X back in 2017. https://image.nostr.build/ec2993d4f26516febd7cab0dabf6a62fe0271de43b84650f8cac2d86ac135cec.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum How did I not behave like a normal person? (Feel free to share a screenshot of whatever it is you think warranted a ban.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I'm also banned. @nprofile…vw43 @nprofile…566r care to explain why? Despite disagreements I don't believe I was rude or trollish or anything of that nature. #nevent1q…jj48 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum A new Bitcoin, Explained episode appeared! On Bitcoin Core 30, the non-drama edition. With @npub1s6z…wk4c. https://podcastindex.org/podcast/3307835?episode=44789004081 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Other than watching a debate or talk when I was bored I ignored all this for a long time because I thought it would just go away. (As you know I was with you in that ordinals are retarded-- but I also didn't see it as some kind of fundamental threat to Bitcoin.) But when the CSAM accusations started that was like a knife being pulled out during a pub brawl. A horrible escalation that could in some worst case scenarios actually be dangerous for both individuals and even the project as a whole. Luke has always been "unique" but that should not mean ethical and moral lines don't apply to him. It's time to lower the temperature, but that is impossible if the _worst_ behaviour does not stop. So when you do call out other behaviour but not his, that does not sit right with me-- or at least I don't think it's helpful. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Someone should write a book about Bitcoin's origins. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum We’re probably close enough on 1 & 2 that we don’t need to split hairs :) 3. You could have just left out this point entirely and kept the debate in this thread technical and on-point. Instead you decided to insert a list of (what you perceive to be) bad behavior; completely unnecessary IMO. But let me ask you a question then. What in your view has been a worse escalation: A) _Anything_ any Core developer has said or done? or B) These accusations by Luke? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum 🙄 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Actual fork futures (as per @npub1emd…c9aw’s proposal for example) would be much better, but this is nice too: #note1cac…cgz4 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I’m not arguing semantics, it matters. I and many others have explained this already, many times, including in the video this thread is a response to. I recommend watching it. You can also read the article I myself wrote about this a month ago, in particular the “Bitcoin Core perspective” of course: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/bitcoin-core-or-bitcoin-knots-what-the-op_return-debate-is-actually-about Or read what the Bitcoin Core developers wrote about it themselves: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2025/06/06/relay-statement/ If you prefer that I explain it to you again that’s also ok, but then I’ll start charging for my time. Shoot me a DM in that case! npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum 😅 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Core is Bitcoin's de facto reference implementation to the extent -- and _only_ to the extent -- that users treat it as such. If you don't believe that to be true, what was the point of switching to Knots in the first place?? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Besides, if there's more data in OP_RETURNs, there less room for data in Inscriptions; 4x less even. Nor does it widen the attack surface in any real way-- except perhaps the attack surface @nprofile…3s2u describes at the end of the video, which you're helping create by regurgitating this nonsense. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum There is nothing official in Bitcoin. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum 👏 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum 1. I tried to earnestly understand and explore @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk and @npub1yxp…399s’s arguments. With Luke I just have to say “agree to disagree” when he argues that CSAM is _only_ illegal/immoral when it’s in an OP_RETURN up ‘till 100kb post-September 2025— everything else is “non-CSAM” in his view even if they’re the exact same bytes. Super Testnet meanwhile seems to have gotten stuck on this question: #nevent1q…jxqn
2. It was never about Citrea specifically; Citrea just showed that there is demand for >80 bytes of data, and if such use cases can’t use OP_RETURN they’ll just use fake pubkeys which NO ONE should want.
3. Not a technical argument. But I’d say if anyone uses nasty triggers it’s Luke et al claiming (and this is a real quote) “Bitcoin Core is trying to force everyone who uses Bitcoin to distribute child porn”— not to mention the shit you’re throwing at the wall here yourself. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Good video by @npub1yp4…kqyk. https://youtu.be/smSCQ0RyFZg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum 💯 Probably better even than any of the movies tbh. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum (I was told to post my questions here.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum #note1y8t…medz npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum The kernel of truth is that these big blockers generally didn't like Segwit either— but what they ultimately really wanted was a block size increase through a hard fork. So that’s what they did. (I maintain that they would have forked off with or without Segwit, as evidenced by the fact that they did in fact fork off before Segwit was even locked in or activated.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum This is a lie and @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk knows it. Bitcoin Cash was created through a hard fork— not a URSF. The dynamics are very different, because non-upgraded nodes would never follow the hard fork chain whereas a URSF chain would be perfectly valid from their perspective. https://image.nostr.build/ae9f38d98a38ac4282658b3e9a66308ca2fc5f7abd7a6403b1b3f7ea93dad773.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Not recently. I (used to?) have a technical podcast with @nprofile…6mks called Bitcoin, Explained. The most recent episode happens to be on this OP_RETURN issue as well actually-- though of course a lot has happened since then. (It's from May.) https://pca.st/episode/108d9d88-5435-47dc-abaf-f25d32f0c747 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Yes. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum IIUC, @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk is a sedevacantist, which is kind of an off-shoot from the Catholic church that has the pope in the Vatican, which he considers pedos. More recently, Luke has been hurling similar accusations towards Bitcoin Core developers and other bitcoiners. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum MAP? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Starting to sound very familiar.. https://image.nostr.build/b7cf54b661aec910f44606c4fbbd0d986d249cb1cb6a36dcf8cc307cd756df53.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum You’re contradicting yourself. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum >Bitcoin Core was, until recently, the closest thing we had to something “official” Until recently, so not anymore? That should also satisfy your concerns, then. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum I am not. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum There is nothing “official” in Bitcoin. I think it’s obvious that Core 30 does not meaningfully increase the risk, because as pointed out these same risks already existed. If node operators are nevertheless concerned about legal risks if they run Core 30, they can just run a different node implementation, whether that’s an older version of Bitcoin Core, Bitcoin Knots, or whatever. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Presumably. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Censorship resistant transactions in the hardest money ever invented will be in high demand, and will out-price other forms of data storage. If that assumption is wrong, Bitcoin’s design is fundamentally flawed, and those of us who do want electronic cash should go back to the drawing board. (I don’t believe the assumption is wrong.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum That one lawyer did not even want to stake his name and reputation to defend his claim. As such we also have no way to determine how credible this person is to begin with. Judging by all other responses, not credible at all. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum A soft fork without consensus does *not* lead to a (lasting) chain split if and when a majority of hash power mines the soft fork chain. The non-soft fork chain will be re-org'ed out of existence every time the soft fork chain becomes longer, because non-upgraded nodes will switch to it. If users/miners on the non-soft fork chain want to prevent this, they need to take action to reject the soft fork chain. Luke is right about that. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum The risk you allude to always existed (and probably will always exist) because 1) it was always possible to mine a block with illegal content in an OP_RETURN, and 2) illegal content can always be embedded in the blockchain using various other methods (even if your BIP is adopted). Fortunately, there appears to be pretty broad consensus among experts in law that this is not a real risk, anyways: https://protos.com/exclusive-lawyers-call-bitcoin-core-v30-csam-concerns-overblown/ npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum "You don't nuke and ant, you don't nuke a mosquito. You don't fight spam with consensus. [...] It's not a game of whack-a-mole where you can realistically fight it with consensus changes." - @npub1wnl…n3wr https://youtu.be/Ie1D-fWR_tY?si=jaWTFN0JaNlMjjhr&t=1167 npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Ok, so now you’re inferring why other people may or may not want run nodes, which is a largely unfalsifiable claim— though I would point out that the data we have available suggests that users don’t mind: node count has risen in recent years despite all the Inscriptions nonsense. We can speak for ourselves, however. For me it makes no difference whether it’s 1MB of monetary data or 1MB of dickbutts. My node operates the same from my perspective. (Even slightly better if it’s dickbutts, but we can leave that aside for now.) Does it make a difference to you? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum It says at the bottom of the BIP that the original draft came from Luke. (And FWIW, even before I saw that, while reading, it was pretty obvious to me that that was the case.) Has Luke denied this? (Where?) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum (This refers to the reactive scenario.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum One irony of @nprofile…vw43's CASF (CSAM activated soft fork) is that users would have to go and see that there's ndeed CSAM in an OP_RETURN, which AFAIK would actually be illegal. (I know I certainly won't do it.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Depends on the exchange rate between the coins :) (Some people probably added like +50% to their BTC stack with Bitcoin Cash + Bitcoin Gold + other forks.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Why would that be the case? npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Do we also agree that *for the purpose of node decentralization* it makes no difference whether a block contains 1MB of monetary transaction data or 1MB of OP_RETURN data? (Again simplifying a bit, but I believe in favour of your argument.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Having an opinion is a cheap substitute for gaining an understanding. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Yeah I noticed that apparent contradiction as well, but I guess the keyword in the first mention is "lengthy". npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Users and/or miners could also deploy a URSF/MRSF that rejects signaling blocks, forcing the split. (Or maybe just use some kind of invalidate block or check point… though I think that might be a bit more iffy.) npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum So yeah every discussion I’ve had with Knots proponents ultimately leads to one of two conclusions where we just have to agree to disagree. 1. If we’re mean to spammers they will go away. 2.: https://image.nostr.build/ba46fad6789b791d97a400b35697b87464097a37efe0ecf3cc8cf9c4e190b05c.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum OCEAN would presumably mine the Knots chain. npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum To be clear… Assuming Bitcoin Knots indeed adopts this BIP444 soft fork, there will be a chain split (airdrop coins) if: - The Knots UASF attracts a minority of the hash rate (but enough to mine at least some blocks) and/or - There is a URSF (user rejected soft fork) to counter it npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum Ok so apparently rolling back the chain in case of a CSAM OP_RETURN is also proposed as an activation mechanism for this “anti-spam” soft fork drafted by @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk. Also, even if no such OP_RETURN is mined, they want to activate this as a UASF within ~three(!) months. https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2017/commits/3c718237072c107ced8c3531a487354fbdae55df https://image.nostr.build/b6d732899dbcc676b1d281bb337c872419cc56c6b90de0cb8a1996b0c2eaf658.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum So if CSAM ends up in an OP_RETURN (of any size) that gets mined into a block, @npub1lh2…a9nk @npub1lh2…a9nk will reject that block and encourage others to do so as well; basically a UASF, even when that would effectively mean rolling back the chain. (Screenshots from the Bitcoin Knots Telegram channel, shared with permission.) https://image.nostr.build/6d5f1b1c12040025d592625638ce1e107b6e89891286af9cc52bce1c4ed13e39.jpg https://image.nostr.build/acec29cc7461ae600cca25268fb5eec5e5800a23b547160efdca816ac7da3b87.jpg https://image.nostr.build/8c447f55520750c30657f4f88448ea8dbece18370fe691abc58f68193ba3bc02.jpg npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5 Aaron van Wirdum What you're describing is a centralizing effect. (Less stale blocks and/or more fees for larger miners versus smaller ones.) That's not a concern for you? (Why not?)