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2026-03-24 22:47:27 CET

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will do. sry 🙂
hope you saw my reply about "whats money" ...to figure out where our definitions differe or maybe what the misunderstanding is all about

2026-03-24 21:49:33 CET

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its not necessary.
obviously you can do it trust based if everyone plays along.
supply chains are anonymously large and i've never seen trust scale apart from using money - and if one does then better not one a billionaire class prints to enrich themselves and scam us all, like e.g. elon & co.

2026-03-24 05:13:30 CET

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There is only ONE EXCEPTION:
When banks buy stuff, they create money and use it to pay the seller - that is THE ONLY WAY how banks can pay under fiat money 🙂
I appreciate questions to clarify this definition as needed.

2026-03-24 05:11:29 CET

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just to make it clear:
different currency types are better/worse money based on inherent properties/rules that govern them.
BUT in fiat money, positive balance denominated in (e.g. USD, EUR, GDP, YEN, ...), are NOT created via buying/selling of goods or services, but by banks when others take out loans.
Loans mint new money.
debit: The money is the banks debt.
credit: The debtor ows the bank equally
They cancel each other out.
Paying back loans burn money.

2026-03-24 05:05:19 CET

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Many things have been used as money throughout history, but today, the only money that matters is fiat currencies (the money created by (central) banks and/or governmemts) and maybe some alternative forms like bitcoin, crypto and so on - who all have different rules and properties governing them.
Fiat money is debt created by banks, not other market participants. Normal market participants cant create fiat money.

2026-03-24 05:01:10 CET

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Okay, lets get definitions clear please:
1. Money is denominated in a currency (e.g. USD, cigarettes, etc.. anything ppl accept as means of payment & price goods in)
2. sellers price stuff & buyers become debtors who owe sellers the price
3. debtor normally settles by paying price in money
4. Buyers need a positive transferable balance in a currency to be able to use it as money to pay debt

2026-03-23 18:34:52 CET

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money is not created by the act of exchange.
money is different from barter, but also from credit.
an act of bidirectional exchange is barter and comes with its own problems.
an exchanfe where just one side provides is a donation or a credit/loan
That is different too. a credit/loan has to be settled later on.
you use either goods (as in barter) or money to settle it.
So paying money is used to SETTLE debt 🙂

2026-03-23 03:01:30 CET

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I dont know what the "essence" of goldbuggery is for you, but gold and bitcoin have little to nothing in common, despite maybe "goldbugs" or some people claiming otherwise.
gold and bitcoin share no properties.
Thats also the reason why lots maybe most goldbugs dont touch bitcoin and only a small minority in bitcoin might have been former goldbugs who moved on.
tokenomics or tokens in general have nothing to do with gold either - much more with fiat

2026-03-22 19:44:33 CET

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yes they can.
bitcoin is just a social contrqct you can opt into buy using it.
it allows anyone to sell for bitcoin and have a guarantee from all others in the network they will sell to you for bitcoin.
if you dont have bitcoin you should start out by earning some first, but ...it doesnt prevent you by buying from somebody who trusts you to pay back later - thats always possible .... can even be a group, but its a individuals/group based special agreement

2026-03-21 21:29:22 CET

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house prices are inflation too. ...and this will NEVER be fixed until we all adopt bitcoin and end the printer class...
...we can ignore this, but it just means picking the side of the epstein fraudster class 🤷‍♀️...why would anyone do that?

2026-03-21 19:27:37 CET

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no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network

2026-03-21 19:02:17 CET

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this seems wrong on so many levels.
1. bitcoin lightning is instant, not slow, so pizza is paid, no worries
2. among blockchains its relatively small and downloads faster than others
3. volatility exists, but value grows, all others dont
4. bitcoin certificates are fiat. dont do it. use lightning in self custody instead, that works
5. you cant sign numbers and share them ppl could "double spend" (copy the signed number)

2026-03-21 17:59:21 CET

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i dont really understand what you are saying or what problem you are referring to.
are you saying you want to work for money which others print to becoke billionaires and you watch house prices explode? ...it that a fetish you have?
also -goldbugs and bitcoin share little to nothing. some goldbugs converted to bitcoin, many others didnt, but also ppl from all other backgrounds like bitcoin. its not a goldbug thing and there is little in common

2026-03-21 17:55:25 CET

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i think hoarding is not a problem, because money is never scarce.
thebproblem is some print to buy everything and we pay the bill.
if some hoarded we would get more wealthy because prices would drop

2026-03-21 02:50:52 CET

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it doesnt even matter. precious metals dont help, because its not for ppl - its too slow, too impractical and too easy to steal when average ppl have it - ...so in practice you end up with "paper gold" ...owning a certificate that represents gold ...which is again paper money, just like fiat and a bank run will show you immediately how things collapse

2026-03-21 02:44:57 CET

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I think this is just absolutely idiotic or even borderline evil.
If there is fixed monetary supply in an economy then price changes will give real feedback to people. Price changes will tell people whether the economy grows or shrinks or stays the same.
If ppl start hoarding, then prices will deflate, good for everyone, if ppl stop hoarding prices will inflate temporarily until nobody hoards and the maximum is in circulation.

2026-03-20 20:12:02 CET

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nah, the measurement are prices.
you measure prices in a currency, but if the denominator changes, its a futile exeecise.
the money is just what you measure with.
price stability is a ridiculous concept invented by mad men, it shields ppl from feedback about growth or decline of the economy by seeing prices around them.

2026-03-20 20:09:57 CET

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yeah, the problem is the poor and rich divide is growing because the strongest asshole in town with the biggest military captures the money printer and printa the money the rest of us is working for. fiat is backed by "proof of might" ...very expensive too.
bitcoin works more like an immunesystem that monitors and only fires up when under attack, which is now, to irradicate proof of might (e.g. military).
block rewards will stop so mining means loss afterwards

2026-03-20 19:59:34 CET

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i am saying this, because if you had more or less money in circulation and everything else stays the same (e.g. demand and supply of services and goods) then prices just adapt and you keep the same buying power.
nothing here is scarce and therr is no problem.
problems appear under fiat where the epstein class constantly prints money to defraud us, hence the growing divide between poor and rich. bitcoin inverts this by ending money printing to pay for upkeep

2026-03-20 19:56:49 CET

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i think that is a misunderstanding
1. bitcoin is not backed by something and "proof of work" is just a mechanism to defend the network against attackers trying to rob everyone
2. money is never scarce. the wording is misleading - i agree. only goods and services can be scarce. a limited money supply does not make it scarce, it just standardizes is - is 1lg or 1m as a standard measurement unit scarce? ...would you want constant change in what 1m or 1kg means?

2026-03-19 18:34:50 CET

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feel free to get it started.
i think its super hard and having a transparent supply chain and maybe an app that supports this kind of economic relation might help it to exist in practice.
so far i dont see anyone trying and succeeding.
ripple tried and they stopped.
..if it was a good idea, anyone can start, because since XRP there is now room for somebody picking up the original ripple idea 🙂
i personally think it could be a complementary system to bitcoin

2026-03-19 18:14:44 CET

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imho that has been tried by a project called "Ripple" and it didnt scale so that turned into XRP.
The best or closest system to that today is imho bitcoin lightning and its amazing.
Maybe theres a way to scale the original idea, but it requires imho open supply chain and a massive amount of people keen to try hard to work with this and even then its unclear. if it works we can still switch to it, but bitcoin lightning with open supply chains could get us there

2026-03-19 05:40:44 CET

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... that IS the centralizing/consolidating/bullying effect @npub1ekj…wjxt mentioned, but imho misleadingly associated it with any kind of market in general, ...its in the money we use.

2026-03-19 05:39:51 CET

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while i agree with the goals here and am in favour of street markets and bazaars and farmwrs markets and mutual aid networks and worker co-ops and so on...
...i would step back and wonder what are prerequsites for those?
certainly all of the above have in common that they use money owned by the capitalists and billionaires, who would love all the above and then print money for themselves to buy the most popular ppl and products who are happy to receive lots of money we all work for

2026-03-18 20:26:30 CET

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https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/116/251/810/325/511/516/original/b730553e85898e38.mp4

2026-03-18 20:09:00 CET

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demolition man.

2026-03-18 20:07:50 CET

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dafaq is a "sigma chad"?
where do you even come across this stuff? 😁
interesting filter bubble

2026-03-15 08:24:19 CET

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not sure i agree with that logic.
the leader has powers because of followers.
get rid of the leader and a new one will replace them. it only stops when ppl massively start rethinking and unfollowing withdrawing their support.

2026-03-12 07:36:30 CET

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Related and about Iran and not at all about Bitcoin, even though its a bitcoin channel.
I'd be happy to hear an opinion on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-i0C-CD1wA&t=1420s
The first 23-24 minutes are just rehashing history and the whole thing can be watched on 2x speed.
I'm not an expert, but its definitely a lot to take in - but imho worth listening to.
Good thing: It makes a prediction about where this goes, thus the theory based on facts but also assumptions is falsifiable in the near future

2026-03-07 09:24:06 CET

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there cant be societies with complex division of labour that makes anonymously large millions collaborate cross border in to produce our modern products and services without money. its the one technology that scales societies and nothing else ever worked, so we need money.
what else is left apart from bitcoin?
its the only actually decentralized solid infrastructure we have.
it doesnt solve all problems but lays a foundation on which we can at least start fixing

2026-03-07 09:20:14 CET

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we habe proprietary closed source fiat money owned bt the epstein class which they use to build their cantillionaires worldwide. the ever faster global debt growth is their too big to fail printing - its socialism for the rich. they keep profits and losses are for the unwashed masses.
all of web3 (=post bitcoin blockchains and tokens) are all silicon valley & wallstreet Venture capitalist funded centralized pump and dump schemes.

2026-03-07 08:58:34 CET

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we are f***cked anyway and always have been. the elite always run their programs and used the new money to consolidate more power, form monopolies and pay fresh printed momey to themselves and their friends. ..less in earlier times than today, but price levels were also lower in earlier days... its always the same.
...and always will be, until we opt out of their money. bitcoin is the only shot we have. its the only schelling point to coordinate and it ends the game.

2026-03-07 08:03:13 CET

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i think that IS the core problem, always.
Name any major problem we face in society - we could solve it over night IF we were organized, but we are not.
If we all switched away from some big tech solution to the same alternative solution, we would all be "golden" and probably better off, but how do you coordinate at scale without centralized leader(s) ..or even basically against centralized leader(s)?
this issue has many names...

2026-03-03 05:56:16 CET

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i am not sure everyone would agree with your definition of blockchain.
you are saying "git" is a blockchain.
i'm not saying its not a possible (very literal) definition, but imho most ppl think of "global consensus" mechanism where everyone can contribute blockchain inputs permisionlessly based on the rules.
...that definition makes neither dat nor ssb a blockchain

2026-03-03 03:41:27 CET

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also, all the alternatives you mentioned are toys compared to dat. it might sound harsh, but imho none of the above has the performance to build alternatives to popular mainstream apps.
yeah, i know its a mouthful, but imho existing dat apps prove it compared to others.
leading the pack is of course `keet` (which has a proprietary UI) ...but just to get an impression i can still recommend to at least try it - and then delete it again

2026-03-03 03:32:13 CET

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dat exists for 13+ years and has plenty of apps build on top of it. e.g. https://cabal.chat https://keet.io https://holesail.io https://maps.mapeo.app https://sher.fm
https://agregore.mauve.moe
...list goes on. there are dozens listed in https://dat-ecosystem org and those are anyway just the tip of the icerberg.
it totally hasnt had its fair shake in some circles imho
try all the above if yoy want.

2026-03-02 22:52:05 CET

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...also dat has nothing to do wih cryptocurrencies or bitcoin

2026-03-02 22:51:44 CET

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the latest signed root verifies all data of the log, because after appending, the new signed merkle root still includes the entire older merkle tree too.
it is immutable, because change can be detected. it would change the merkle tree hashes.

2026-03-02 22:28:10 CET

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its not about nothing has been deleted, its just if somebody has the data, you can verify it is part of the log (=hypercore) ...but doesnt mean the data has to be there `feed.clear(...)` drops data

2026-03-02 22:15:43 CET

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you can delete branches from the tree and then nobody can get that data anymore. if you just evict it from your cache, you can re-download it from the p2p network given somebody still seeds the data.
you can also build applications where you rewrite history (feed.truncate()) ...that will increase the hypercores `.fork` counter and its detectable. use cases are when you use `autobase` to have multi writer hypercores

2026-03-02 21:59:17 CET

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both.
you of course only validate the parts you sparsly replicate and validate the rest later on.
this is what merkle proofs enable

2026-03-02 20:08:51 CET

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i love ssb.
i just wish p2p enthusiasts would embrace it to rebuild ssb just the way it is, but now you can sync only the tip of feeds and drop old data because it inherently supports sparse but verifiable replication, which would alleviate one of ssb's limitations

2026-03-02 20:06:44 CET

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this could be fixed by rebuilding ssb on top of dat which inherently allows for sparse replication

2026-03-02 06:01:19 CET

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plenty of apps exist. dat-ecosystem has dozens of them, multiple messengers, vpn's, radios, filesharing tools, p2p maps, p2p rss readers and even browsers and runtimes.

2026-03-02 06:00:00 CET

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no you dont.
you start with a hypercore's public key as its address to lookup peers and sync some log entries torrent style. you also sync a handful of "tree nodes" (=merkle proof) with a merkle root signature to verify data integrity using the pubkey you started with.
verifying means you can sync data from any random peer bittorrent style, but you know the data is exacty what the author published and wasnt accidently or maliciously changed.

2026-03-02 05:42:39 CET

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you can use the the dat p2p network without hypercore, but alao hypercore scales perfectly well, the more peers, the better it scales, just like torrents do, but then again in peer to peer you dont need global consensus.
i feel this is not really leading anywhere though 🙂

2026-03-02 04:45:54 CET

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then ssb is a blockchain as well, even more so than dat. i understand that one can define it like that, but imho if there is no token/cryptocurrency involved i would not call it a blockchain. usually ppl hearing blockchain think of cryptocurrency.
if you'd call dat blockchain, one should be aware it means every peer usually creates loads of them and only they can write to it and also subscribes to loads of them only writable by others. consensus then means it was signed by owner🤷‍♀️

2026-03-02 02:10:31 CET

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dat works now.
ppl keep ignoring it, but its battle tested and mature.

2026-03-02 02:09:14 CET

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can recommend to use `dat` all the upsides, none of the downsides.
identity works multi device too. you can delete or edit posts too and nefsplits do nothing.
its not using blockchains or token either.

2025-12-16 08:00:50 CET

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lets name them... whether greed or seeing humans as things.... you always have lunatics somewhere, but when it comes to wars and the fate of millions ...its not aboit greedy or nasty humans, its about greedy or nasty elites.
Thr establishment is a caste.
Its them and their kids over generations.
There is little to no social mobility here.
Framing it in another way acuses the millions and protect the elites.

2025-11-12 12:13:59 CET

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i dont buy that and you shpuldnt either.
tech os deflating endlessly, but ppl buy it even though every piece of tech is better and cheaper tomorrow.
deflation being bad is just a fairy tale indoctrinated to support the "money printer is good" story.
people live and need to eat and at some point they die, but bitcoin gets more valuable forever in theory... so waiting forever doesnt make sense

2025-11-12 09:57:58 CET

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lastly, bitciins distribution is fairer than any other (shit)coin, most of them with ICOs or premine or some other form of investors getting in early. Any coin that gets made today suffers the same issue, because capitalists are aware now.
bitcoin is the only one that didnt have an ICO or premine or anything else and launched before capitalists really figured it out

2025-11-12 09:55:55 CET

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oh and regarding transactions.
bitcoin is meant for everyone being able to participate and if thr main chain becomes too large, people cant run nodes anymore and thus it gets centralized.
for every day transactions, bitcoin scales by using the so called "lightning network", which is self custodial as well, so no intermediaries here either. The lightning network scales perfectly well imho.

2025-11-12 09:53:38 CET

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hm.
when it comes to scams/fraud/criminals, it seems all these pump and dump ponzis exist in "cRyPtO" a.k.a web3
bitcoin is quite transparent and easy to analyze compare to the rest, so it makes it quite inconvenient for criminals to use, unlike our traditional money, which hasnt with its offshore shadow banks that hasnt stopped criminals in the slightest and makes it much easier imho.
why do you say btc in particular would be useful for criminals - makes no sense imho

2025-11-12 08:05:51 CET

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bitcion fixes this.
what are alternative plans? ...there arent any.
the government hasnt helped with that since forever. it got worse and is now the worst ever.
how can anyone reasonably think this will ever change? ... there is only one way out and everyone adopting that path starts winning immediately and it only gets better from here.
why?
because the capitalists cant print it to devalue what folks earned

2025-10-23 06:42:11 CEST

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https://mri4all.org
there are so many open source projects and projects that describe how to make low cost medical equipment or produce low cost medication and so on... there are open tutorials for all kinda of procedures and methods.
..it all just has to become a movement and it needs to get applied to form alternative systems. thats it.
and once its working and open source, anyone can learn for free, copy/fork for free, etc... we can then philosophize how to tackle details 🙂

2025-10-23 06:39:53 CEST

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imho thats not abundance thinking.
the problem is gate keeping and all kinds of nonsense.
e.g. MRI4all hackathon made a fullly functioning open source mri machine in 4 days
largr scale and more systemically organized, the best "blueprints" could be replicated and used and could constantly be improved.
first make it work and get going before philosophizing of who gets to use it when imho.
as long as there is no alternative to now al philosophizing helps zero

2025-10-23 05:50:06 CEST

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hospitals are those big buildings with expensive equipment, but given how long waiting lists are and how expensive it is in many places... what wpuld it look like to have low cost low budget open source alternatives?
some medicine can be produces cheaply and relatively easily and ...some countries are so poor that hospitals are basic, but if you have skilled medical staff, who knows what can be achieved these saysm has anyone tried?

2025-10-23 05:47:53 CEST

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how about open source modular supply chains/networks with open communication.
instead of one hierarchical hospital, its all modular and organized just in time and on demand, where its transparent for anyone to observe and discuss, but not make decisions.
if things go bad somewhere, the functioning parts of the supply network can just each freely choose to collaborate with an alternative "module" instead.
this might be vague, but open source imho is the way for it all

2025-10-14 23:18:53 CEST

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So i assume you live in china then :-)

2025-10-14 23:15:30 CEST

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🤷 i'm not defending western governments.
you think/believe the story.
i think power hierarchies set incentives and create systems and it does not really matter "where people come from".
Ones the rules/incentives change, they start shaping you regardless of background. Once somebody is put into a new situation entirely diffferent from where they came from, they start changing and what was formerly every day reality becomes a distant more theoretical memory.

2025-10-14 22:55:17 CEST

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there are people in western governments too with a "worker background" ...makes for great stories. once they move into politics they become part of that.
again, people bekieve in all kinds of things and i dont believe in representation.
these are all just nice fairytales and they dont matter really.

2025-10-14 22:40:13 CEST

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i already said initially that skme elites are benevolent for various reasons, so we dont disagree, but tou forgot that i said that or rather laughed at it 🤷‍♀️

2025-10-14 22:36:23 CEST

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it happens in both directions.
its not US or China.
Its all governments against the people.
The reason this is the case is because its genuinely hard for millions of people to coordinate against elites that organize and play divide and conquer sadly

2025-10-14 22:30:42 CEST

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whatever.
that name doesnt show up on search engines nor in the long article you linked.
the chinese firewall is real and thats evidence enough, that china is no better than the censoring west is.
Its oppresive governments everywhere. Arrogant ppl in government who think they know best 🤷‍♀️

2025-10-14 22:22:21 CEST

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i have been and lived in taiwan for a long time.
i am not supporting any side, but honestly it also doesnt lead anywhere. your universe is just a parallel reality

2025-10-14 22:20:58 CEST

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if you are so smart, then tell me what happened. i guess all the news and video material from back in the days where AI generated then? 🫠

2025-10-14 22:10:43 CEST

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i dont.
i would argue just as hard against the west and capitalism.... actually thats how the thread started. you and yogthos made it about china somehow 🤷‍♀️

2025-10-14 22:08:22 CEST

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lol.
the west is colonialist and racist and china isnin theirnown way as well. the west has guns and so has china. china massacred on tianmen square and pressures taiwan. the west does the same. they all have guns.
i dont have guns and dont dream of guns.
billions of ppl dont care about the chinese government stories. they support the government because they see economic results. if that changes, ppl will change their opinions as well. its the same everywhere.

2025-10-14 22:04:43 CEST

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just get a "bitcoin credit card".
you can participate in an economy without paying directly in bitcoin.
of course, making bitcoin illegal will hurt the country and its citizens, its just like self imposed sanctions, but it wont kill bitcoin as such.
in some countries citizens are unbanked and/or face strong inflation. bitcoin is an escape for the ppl against their corrupt elites where theybwpuld otherwise just face misery

2025-10-14 22:01:37 CEST

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any person or organisation, if cut off from income wipl sooner or later lose their material wealth too.
...there is only so much wealth you can create and sustainnon your own isolated from everyone else....
without some form of money no organisation can scale to the size of millions and beyond.
the accounting ledgers are the foundation

2025-10-14 21:59:53 CEST

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we disagree here.
while the material reality is the goal, there is a system that decides how things get distributed.
and money matters here.
fundamentally ppl pay costs every say and ppl earn income too. if ppl dont earn income.they have to reduce their costs.
if some can print money they will "outwealth" everyone else - no matter their story.
the money is what creates the material reality produced across enormous supply chains.

2025-10-14 21:57:27 CEST

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our goals or expectations or values or philosophies are just too far apart to understand each other.
i am really deeply anti authoritarian and really into true consent, thus no government in the world right now is okay for me - there are just better and worse ones to choose from.
...but i expect everyone to be aware of it and actively criticse them all and search for better alternatives. ... but some are complacent because they dont see the issues.

2025-10-14 21:55:21 CEST

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interesting. thx for that web tool. useful 🙂
read through - sounds horrible.
also it says it aims to become more horrible, but incompetence makes it slow, still in the future it will get worse once they catch up.
the only "social credit score" system that supports the people is one that is subjective and the scores you see are based on whom you follow. a single centralized score is crap... unless its on the ppl to respect or reject it - meaning it wouldnt be binding 🙂
anyway

2025-10-14 21:49:14 CEST

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lol.
you know, that is just as laughable as "the west is ruled by its people, because democracy, you know"?
i bet you would agree that the west isnt ruled by its ppl, because reasons... but somehow you drinknthe chinese cool aid and believe it, when in reality its neither the case in the west nor in china.
the ppl governing themselves is a hard problem and billions of ppl cant coordinate easily and its hard work to invent and establish mechanisms that make this easier

2025-10-14 21:46:04 CEST

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lol.
authoritarians can be "well meaning"
you probably wont ever meet one who wont tell you they are - most dont even think about it, because to them thats a given & self evident
all governments are authoritarian
its always a tiny minority of ppl ruling over masses
ive never seen govs that actively try to dissolve itself by replacing centrally controlled mechanisms with more inclusive ones. Ppl in charge are happy with their power and love to impose their "good" onto the world

2025-10-14 21:31:45 CEST

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elites like to divide into left and right and while i despise reactionary culture and personally embrace the values of the left, its mostly authoritarians vs anti authoritarians who believe in civil liberties and full equality.
The divide in todays world is mostly between authoritarians and anti authoritarians and not left vs right.
the western governments, the big tech, the CPC, you name it... its all authoritarian and we the people should work to make them obsolete 🤷‍♀️

2025-10-14 21:27:33 CEST

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its paywalled.
the part i could read was
it actually blacklists/bans >10 million citizens, but it "was never designed to do that"...
...anyway, a system is what a system does.
Nobody stops china from dismanteling that sysytem. they dont, so it was obviously designed for that.
the only such system i wouldnt call out was one where individuals rate and anyone can see ratings based on whom they voluntarily follow ...but tthe chinese one is centralized. fuck this authoritarian crap

2025-10-14 21:23:53 CEST

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yes, and i have repeatedly answered that means of production are a net cost if you dont use them, so its a money sink and if you run out of money you go bust and lose it.
So to keep the means of production, you have to generate enough revenue and that isnt easy long term, unless you have a money printer, but you ignore this

2025-10-14 21:22:19 CEST

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even if you cant pay. bitcoin is used worldwide, so it keeps its value and grows too, because its unprintable. countries have made it illegal in the past and it didnt change anything.
if you temporarily cant use bitcoin to pay, you can still use it as store of value and you can use a VPN to create accounts on foreign bitciin exchanges and sell bitcoin and transfer income back to your account in fiat... or use a credit card that you can "top up" via bitcoin and pay in fiat when needed

2025-10-14 21:02:18 CEST

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it cannot be.
nobody can shut down bitcoin.
you can make it illegal, but thats just as true for pirating/torrenting and it has never stopped people from using it.
its fundamentally different than bank accounts which can be switched off/frozen in an instant, but bitcoin cannot.
you can make it illegal, but ppl can migrate or use VPNs and all sorts of firewall circumventing tooling and it will never be illegal in all 200 countries on the planet.

2025-10-14 20:59:55 CEST

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then i misunderstood you, so how do you imagine /think it is happening if not via money printing but also not as an automatism of markets?
would love to learn

2025-10-14 20:59:02 CEST

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lol.
i am against facebook or big tech indeed.
i am all for self sovereign users, hence open source peer to peer software.
have open networks and win ppl ovee by convincing them and showing actions. abusing power to trap/shield them is arrogant.
extracting data is what china does just as much as the west and you get merciless social credit scores. its a tool of domination and opression.
no need to win based on merit if you can just opress and shield

2025-10-14 20:40:21 CEST

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yeah sadly.
you imagine accumulation of means of production naturally follows from having markets - a fallacy, but what can we do about it.

2025-10-14 20:39:29 CEST

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not true. i have been in china and you cant use anything. no google, no gmail, no instagram, no facebook, no anything.
If you have a connected flight over china and have to stay over night because you miss the followup flight in china, you are cut off from the rest of the world. ...and without checking "gmails" you cant even easily book a new ticket.
its just a propaganda war elites vs elites

2025-10-14 20:37:15 CEST

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thats utter nonsense. sorry.
gold and silver are useless to run an economy or use it as a means of payment. bitcoin isnt.
nobody knows who has gold or silver and what is happening. bitcoin is transparent.
seizing gold/silver is easy, because it is physical and cant cross border controls, so you are stuck, bitcoin isnt... there are plenty of more differences.
bitcoin rules are a social contract, gold and silver are just a commodity ...list goes on.
you are too stuck to even notice

2025-10-14 20:34:28 CEST

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they do empower people. i havent shared much about my ideas yet to be honest.
we do not have any common ground on top of which we could argue, because you reject "money printing" as an issue, so we cant come together in any meaningful way, because we disagree on the foundation

2025-10-14 20:33:22 CEST

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money printing is the means by which the elites (capitalists and others) seize the means of production

2025-10-14 20:30:31 CEST

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Its not gold and silver under feudalism.
gold and silver coinage is still only harvested and controlled by the few and can be stolen and storing or transporting it is highly vulnerable to thugs robbing it away.
Just like today gold or silver are useless - at most you can own inflatable rights to physical gold or silver and transferring is inherently slow thus it just doesnt serve any purpose.
bitcoin is different. its open source and has a transparent ledger

2025-10-14 20:27:51 CEST

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I'm not a fan of the dalai lama either.
That's just another elite, just like your linked article expresses.
This is all just about different kinds of elites duking it out amongst themselves, each with their own stories. It all has nothing to do with the people, who end up living under the winning elite and the rules, some better than others, but always all still wealthy elites vs. the rest of the people.
I'm only interested in how to empower ppl more directly in everyday life.

2025-10-14 20:21:46 CEST

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controlling the means of production requires a method to seize them and money printing is that method and thats true for the west and for china as well.

2025-10-14 20:01:32 CEST

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you made the topic china.
i was talking about the world in general.
i agree that europe is deeply broken and its unclear when or if things will turn around. its the museum of the world and people are surpressed ... i dont disagree with that.
maybe you divide everything into pro china anti west vs against china pro west.... i'm not that.
i do.agree with your facts 🙂

2025-10-14 19:59:12 CEST

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you believe it all and glorify it.
just like some ppl glorify the reality of democracy we have in the west.
why the great chinese firewall then?
why shooting at students at tianmen square and putting it under the rug? why occupy tibet? why squeezing uyghurs?
...this list goes on.
Eceryone understands how china flourishes economically, which is great, but so did countries in the past under kings, and so did germany and japan after the end of ww2 ...and some even durung hitler... so?

2025-10-14 19:52:31 CEST

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elites print money.
check global public and private debt.
its expanding ever faster.
commercial banks create the majority of it.
but not for you or me, its for capitalists only.
in the fantasy world you describe, only goverments would create money, but they wouldnt expand it faster than the economic growth rate, but thats simply not reality.
just type "global debt" into google for a starting point.

2025-10-14 19:40:32 CEST

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same can be said about you.
its ubclear what point you want to make, because so far indo agree withball the facts you list. we differ in interpretation

2025-10-14 19:39:23 CEST

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sure, but you said one goes insolvent and another one bhys an existing house.
the meqns of productiin would be the builders who build the house innthe first place.
thats organized labour and hownits controlled

2025-10-14 19:38:14 CEST

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...they cant express, because just as in china there is only one 5 year plan ... a king also has their own ideas... in both cases its not consent based.
and consent is important as a principle the faster thebworld moves and the more connected thenworld becomes.
Also, diversity is important to tey different things in parallel and have not one force push things for everyone against resistance

2025-10-14 19:34:54 CEST

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Its easy to have mad growth rates when you start from little. japan and germany both had extraordinary growth rates back then.
also, if you grow because the whole world orders from you so you become some sort of export world champion, that makes it much easier.
the point is - sucess or not - even a wise king can lift a country and its peoppe from striving to thriving ... but it still means its brittle. the throne successor can fuck it up, and even if there are alternative ideas...

2025-10-14 06:01:18 CEST

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thats what brainwashing does. same in the west and everywhere...
all countries have elites that manufacture stories to make people believe in shit and many eve derive purpose from it, whether it benefits them or not - its hopium.
when the economy is booming ppl are happy.
it could be worse. the elite could be replaced by one that is worse.
...it could also be better, but thats just theory and ppl rather roll with reality and live their lives.

2025-10-14 05:54:11 CEST

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are we talking means of production or buying houses?
there are plenty of regions where houses lose value and collapse and some villages pay people to move in ans save houses.
you oversimplify dramatically and explain things as automatisms that are not at all.
you essentially claim any investment pays off and the buy doesnt need to think. it sounds absurd