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There's no setting for that at the moment, but I think it's worth considering. I'm just not sure how much benefit it would provide, since kind 0 events are already cached in IndexedDB.

2026-06-09 10:28:45 UTC

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Believe me, you're not going to send a 21 sat zap on chain.

2026-06-08 01:23:54 UTC

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Why remove all lightning support?

2026-06-01 09:39:43 UTC

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Sorry, I probably made dm even messier. :CatBlush:

2026-06-01 09:37:50 UTC

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But not everyone is willing to hand over their nsec.

2026-06-01 06:40:48 UTC

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NIP-17 requires frequent encryption/decryption using the user’s keys. If a user accesses it via a browser extension, they would need to grant permission for all encryption/decryption requests at once. Otherwise, they end up constantly approving prompts one by one, often without really knowing what is being encrypted or decrypted, just blindly accepting them.
If they use a bunker setup, the experience is even worse.
For clients like Jumble, NIP-17 simply isn’t a viable option. On top of that, if the key is ever lost, all historical chat data becomes exposed.
In the end, I tried implementing NIP-17 on top of NIP-4e (https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1647), which can address the issues above.

2026-06-01 02:25:04 UTC

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Jumble uses a DM protocol that isn't compatible with other clients.

2026-05-23 16:24:54 UTC

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These kinds of issues are always hard to debug. 🫠

2026-05-22 06:26:03 UTC

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I already moved the Electron package to optionalDependencies a while ago. Are you still unable to install it?

2026-05-22 01:10:55 UTC

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Did everything work fine after granting the permission?

2026-05-21 13:48:29 UTC

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I actually deleted that project after testing it :bili_doge:

2026-05-21 01:57:50 UTC

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I had Claude implement it following the spec, it’s pretty rough haha, just for testing purposes.

2026-05-21 01:43:34 UTC

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@npub1w4u…0jr5 do you have any thoughts on this? I’m on my computer and I’ve set up a simple Blossom cache server myself. Jumble works fine with the cache server. Not sure what’s wrong with Morganite communication on Android.

2026-05-21 01:13:50 UTC

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So you don’t see any logs in Morganite showing Jumble requesting resources from it, right?

2026-05-20 13:23:01 UTC

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It automatically checks `127.0.0.1:24242` on startup, but I wasn't sure whether browsers would allow requests to `127.0.0.1`. Since you said it doesn't work, I guess the browser is blocking it.

2026-05-20 08:39:33 UTC

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I’ve implemented it according to the spec and already deployed it on jumble.social. But I don’t have an Android device, so I’m not sure yet how well it works together with Morganite.
cc @npub1w4u…0jr5

2026-05-19 14:17:24 UTC

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What would I need to do?

2026-05-19 01:13:21 UTC

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I’ve already replaced the client tag with a pairing code. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
https://npub17n4cuc4d6y6qh89dekvxrenfkt5s0n49xns00uavjaxpr36c55dq87fyh9.blossom.band/f3b360ed8dab7f594e29b854599a2209552bfaa9a845bcedfa1759c6a75e5abb.png

2026-05-18 07:04:46 UTC

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I was able to reproduce your issue in Firefox with `privacy.resistFingerprinting` enabled. I've now switched to a different method for stripping sensitive metadata from images, so the issue should be resolved.

2026-05-18 05:11:52 UTC

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Did this only start happening yesterday?
I changed the image uploader yesterday, images are now re-rendered through canvas to strip sensitive metadata like GPS information. It’s possible the library I’m using has issues in certain browser environments.

2026-05-18 01:47:23 UTC

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That sounds like the blurhash might be covering the image. Do you mind sharing which browser you're using? I checked the posts you published, and all the images are displaying correctly on my side.

2026-05-17 14:12:38 UTC

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It’s still an experimental feature, and the design still guarantees that only you control the key. In the end, your key gets split into multiple shares distributed across different operators, and signing requires cooperation between those operators.
Right now though, there are only two known operators, both run by fiatjaf, so this is only being tested in beta for now. The idea is to officially roll it out once there are more independent and stable operators in the network.
I’m not sure how Wisp implemented it, but I believe it’s different from the approach I’m currently testing.
You can read more details here: https://viewsource.win/fiatjaf.com/pomegranate/_/master

2026-05-17 05:34:43 UTC

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It looks like the error is happening during installation of the Electron-related npm packages. Even if you’re not planning to use them later, `npm install` will still try to install everything listed in `package.json`. Let me think about whether there’s a way to skip installing them.

2026-05-17 04:43:15 UTC

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Are you running the command `npm run build`?

2026-05-17 03:09:41 UTC

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Like the error message says, Electron can’t build Android apps 😆
I’m planning to use Capacitor to make it run as a native app on iOS and Android.

2026-05-17 03:05:04 UTC

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Sorry about this. I didn’t think carefully enough about the privacy implications of exposing the operating system and browser information. I’ll replace it with random strings as soon as possible. Thanks for pointing it out.

2026-05-14 08:06:41 UTC

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Noted, thanks!

2026-05-02 15:36:44 UTC

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I checked on jumble.social and videos are playing fine there now. But interestingly, it still doesn’t work on beta.jumble.social

2026-05-02 15:14:51 UTC

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https://image.nostr.build/5fde44f6ec704ad7a3dbc4476c007c7a4199d75bcc022c1e55b69c3b4b47313b.png
Thanks for the update! It still looks like there’s a cross-origin issue on my end. I’m not sure if it could be caused by CDN caching or something similar.

2026-05-02 15:11:44 UTC

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Could you clarify what you mean by not being able to use custom emojis? Do they not show up in the emoji picker, or does nothing happen when you click them? Also, have your custom emojis been updated recently?

2026-05-02 04:34:29 UTC

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It’s a cross-origin issue. The media provider needs to relax its restrictions so the content can be loaded from other domains.

2026-04-26 03:20:18 UTC

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It’s a browser limitation. When you browse the following feed, it already uses a lot of relay connections. If you then perform actions that need new connections, the browser may block them, which can cause failures. I’m trying to wrap it in Electron to work around this.

2026-04-16 01:10:43 UTC

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Regularly rotating encryption keys isn’t really a good fit for a web client like Jumble. Users often access it across multiple devices, and sometimes even across different browsers on the same device. If one instance rotates the encryption key, syncing becomes messy, and users usually have no idea which instance actually holds the current key.
I think this is something that really needs a dedicated mobile app to handle properly.

2026-04-15 02:59:07 UTC

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Thanks 💜

2026-04-15 02:00:11 UTC

https://jumble.social/ has launched DM support, implemented as NIP-17 DMs on top of NIP-4e (https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/per-device-keys/4e.md).
At the moment only coop supports this protocol, so communication is currently only possible between Jumble and coop users.
Benefits of NIP-4e (decoupling the encryption key from the user's identity key):
- The encryption key can be rotated regularly, reducing the risk that a compromised or lost key exposes historical messages
- Encryption and decryption no longer require the user's identity key. Previously, using DMs with a bunker remote signer resulted in a poor user experience

2026-04-11 04:39:00 UTC

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https://image.nostr.build/5ef32476673c152f3a2014c154c3ad702305c63638b5413f485019dc64165417.png
It seems to be working fine for me.

2026-04-10 03:11:40 UTC

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Filtering by content isn’t very efficient, which is why the current implementation is based on event kinds instead. I know that’s not very user-friendly, but I haven’t found a better approach yet.

2026-04-10 02:57:05 UTC

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Filters aren’t very convenient, so adding tabs for common ones could help. Letting users customize tabs might be even better.

2026-04-03 13:59:58 UTC

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My question is whether it’s actually necessary. Does the added complexity really justify the benefit? I don’t think it does.

2026-04-03 08:51:56 UTC

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Thanks for your contribution. I’ll add the data migration script and then release it.

2026-04-02 02:59:15 UTC

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Let me give a simple example. Say you agreed to meet a friend at 4pm, they show up late, then quietly edit the message to 6pm and pretend you remembered it wrong.
Sure, you could add edit history to prevent that kind of situation, but is it really necessary? Do the benefits of these features actually outweigh the added complexity? Personally, I don’t find it unacceptable to just send a follow up message to correct things. I do that all the time when chatting with friends, and honestly I’m too lazy to bother with delete or edit most of the time.

2026-04-01 13:47:38 UTC

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Deletion and editing can change the history of messages. While I believe most people wouldn’t maliciously alter conversations, I still think the potential downsides outweigh the inconvenience of not having these features.
Deletion itself is also inherently unreliable in a decentralized system, other clients or relays can simply choose not to honor it.
I also don’t think deletion and editing are essential features. For example, WeChat only introduced message recall a few years ago, limited to a short time window, and still doesn’t support editing, yet it hasn’t stopped people from using it.
Personally, I’m not a fan of having message history be mutable.
I prefer a delayed send approach, where users can cancel a message before it’s actually sent.

2026-04-01 06:13:29 UTC

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https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1647

2026-04-01 06:13:21 UTC

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2026-04-01 04:16:56 UTC

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Thanks! The DM feature is currently being tested at https://beta.jumble.social/ , but it’s not compatible with other clients.

2026-04-01 04:11:33 UTC

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Got it 🫡

2026-04-01 04:10:17 UTC

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Got it 🫡

2026-04-01 04:09:45 UTC

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Yeah, I’ve run into that as well. It seems to happen when the other user’s DM relay settings can’t be fetched, or their DM relay configuration wasn’t published successfully. I’m still thinking about how to handle this.

2026-04-01 04:08:03 UTC

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I'm not sure yet whether I'll add a delete feature. As for editing, it would introduce a lot of complexity, so I most likely won’t add it.

2026-03-28 13:04:40 UTC

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Encryption keys can be rotated automatically, but the cross-device or cross-client experience isn’t great, it often requires syncing.
As for backups, the concern is losing local messages. If a new encryption key can’t decrypt past messages, then losing your local data means losing those messages permanently. Since Signal ensures that past messages can’t be decrypted once keys are lost, it effectively has the same constraint, you still need regular backups, otherwise losing local data means losing your message history as well.

2026-03-27 14:49:37 UTC

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I still need to spend more time learning about how group chats should be implemented, and I might not end up supporting them at all.
The Signal protocol is great, but since I’ve already chosen NIP-4e + NIP-17, it’s unlikely that I’ll introduce a completely different protocol alongside them.
Since the encryption keys in NIP-4e can be reset, in theory, regularly rotating the keys could provide a similar protection for most past messages.

2026-03-27 01:37:43 UTC

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I’m not very familiar with the Signal protocol, and I don’t have plans to support multiple protocols. Unless I decide to add group chats in the future.

2026-03-26 08:35:17 UTC

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It could be because the content you’re viewing includes `http://` resources. That said, jumble now blocks loading `http://` resources by default, so I might have missed something somewhere.

2026-03-26 08:30:49 UTC

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NIP-17 doesn’t reveal the sender.

2026-03-26 08:28:03 UTC

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Enable Settings → System → "Allow insecure connections"

2026-03-25 01:43:28 UTC

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Yeah, at the moment the wallet is tied to the app, not to individual accounts.
It might make more sense to support multiple wallets and let users choose which one to use when zapping.

2026-03-25 01:40:17 UTC

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It sounds like you’re leaning toward a more private messaging model, something like having a dedicated contacts list and hiding messages from users who aren’t accepted.
I’ll need to think this through a bit more. For now, I want to get the basic flow working smoothly first, then revisit what the right direction for DMs should be.

2026-03-23 14:00:57 UTC

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Yeah, it’s not very reliable right now. What you’re describing is likely due to the connection to relays dropping. I’ve been considering whether making DMs a separate app might make things more stable.

2026-03-20 01:08:55 UTC

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Probably just to avoid making things too complicated.

2026-03-19 15:19:28 UTC

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Kind 1 events are really meant to be simple plain text, so Markdown isn’t recommended. Also, clients currently have no reliable way to tell whether a piece of text is intended to be Markdown.
In Jumble, I just do a heuristic check, if it detects at least two clear Markdown patterns, it enables Markdown rendering. So if there’s only a single quote block, it won’t be treated as Markdown.

2026-03-19 02:20:06 UTC

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I get what you mean, but I don’t think enabling word wrap for pre-formatted text is a good default. It can break the structure of the content and make things like code or logs harder to read. I’d prefer keeping it scrollable horizontally for now.
Also, if it’s not actually code or logs, it’s probably better not to use Markdown code blocks in the first place.

2026-03-18 01:51:37 UTC

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It’s mostly a caching issue, I’ll improve the cache update logic for it later.

2026-03-13 01:13:01 UTC

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Thanks for the feedback. I’ll take a look and investigate the issue.

2026-03-10 01:23:27 UTC

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You can try it :MEOWDY:

2026-03-10 01:19:48 UTC

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Are you referring to turning off automatic profile image loading in the settings?

2026-03-09 10:07:24 UTC

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I held out on that for quite a while, until my feed started getting flooded with Markdown symbols. In Jumble, though, Markdown in kind 1 is styled the same as plain text, so it doesn’t make the feed look messy.

2026-03-09 09:56:25 UTC

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Bots connected to AI models often post content in Markdown. My relay has a lot of kind 1 events with Markdown content, which makes browsing pretty painful, so I ended up compromising a bit.

2026-03-09 09:51:53 UTC

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Of course.

2026-03-09 09:48:06 UTC

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Jumble doesn’t support that yet. Habla is a good choice, and Yakihonne is another solid option.

2026-03-09 09:46:06 UTC

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It’s not really client-related, the main issue is that most relays aren’t reachable.

2026-03-09 09:45:03 UTC

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Since there are more and more bots lately, Jumble applies some basic Markdown rendering.

2026-03-02 14:59:12 UTC

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Haha, hopefully I can figure out the issue so you can use nostr at work too 🤣

2026-03-02 04:31:54 UTC

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That definitely makes sense. I’m aware that filtering based on event kind right now isn’t very user-friendly.

2026-03-02 01:15:16 UTC

Hi @npub1zu8…zyau, thank you so much for the fat zap. Regarding the articles feature you mentioned, you can use the filter in the top-right corner of the feed to achieve this. It may not be as convenient as having a dedicated articles page, but since there are plans to support saving custom feeds in the future, adding a separate articles page isn’t really necessary. I hope you can understand. Thanks again for your support. 💜
https://npub17n4cuc4d6y6qh89dekvxrenfkt5s0n49xns00uavjaxpr36c55dq87fyh9.blossom.band/1a808c627da91f0619dc88c03a909caf43a2dcf4e0af02dcc5c293e16fd307b3.png

2026-02-26 01:45:37 UTC

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Thanks 💜

2026-02-26 01:30:15 UTC

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Got it, I’ll fix this issue as soon as possible. Thanks for your feedback!

2026-02-25 02:27:03 UTC

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The plan is to support only the NIP-4e version of NIP-17 (decoupling encryption from identity https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/per-device-keys/4e.md), and currently only coop supports this protocol.

2026-02-21 16:20:57 UTC

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That’s strange, since notifications are currently sorted in chronological order. I tried fetching notifications using your pubkey, and the order appeared to be correct on my end. It’s possible there’s a bug in some edge case, I’ll keep an eye on it. Thanks for your feedback!
https://image.nostr.build/7b5a920f080b160789766faecf95173c0fa4dc69ee965bfa3b01db0066fe9e1c.png

2026-02-11 14:51:37 UTC

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Jumble uses the same codebase on both mobile and desktop. I haven’t run into the issue you’re describing, and no other users have reported it so far, so it might be something specific to your setup.
Could you let me know which browsers you’re using on each device? That would help me look into it.

2026-02-11 01:09:11 UTC

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Jumble itself doesn’t impose a file size limit — the limit you’re hitting comes from the media upload service you’re using.
If you’re used to Primal’s setup, you can switch to Blossom and set the endpoint to: https://blossom.primal.net/

2026-02-11 01:08:49 UTC

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That’s a bit strange 🤣 Does Blossom Primal actually apply different rules for different devices? I honestly don’t know either

2026-02-10 15:45:14 UTC

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https://image.nostr.build/1e29be5f4474d92e2c1318df3f5a805d408a74d8297d216082d0dc9682c445e4.png
I can see your profile picture, haha 🤣

2026-02-10 15:43:02 UTC

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Got it 🫡

2026-02-10 15:41:51 UTC

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You can change the media upload service to one that suits you better in Settings → Post Settings.

2026-02-02 10:20:06 UTC

#Jumble keeps evolving 🌱
Here’s what’s new in the last 2 months 👇
- Support publishing highlights
- Special follow feed
- Emoji packs store
- Redesigned threads for easier browsing
- Filter content by user reputation across feed, threads, and notifications
- Mute words
- Hide indirect notifications to avoid hell threads
- Smarter relay pool management & faster loading
- Optimized onboarding for new users
- Fixed various bugs and improved overall experience
Huge thanks to everyone giving feedback, contributing, or supporting Jumble 💜
More exciting features coming soon 🚀 #nostr #devstr

2026-01-23 01:44:10 UTC

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Usually you don’t need to change anything. Replies are sent to your write relays and the other person’s read relays. If both of you have sensible relay setups, it should just work.

2026-01-20 01:47:05 UTC

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That’s strange, on my side, undo and redo both work normally on macOS with Firefox

2026-01-19 03:36:35 UTC

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I’ll adjust the detection logic a bit later 🫡

2026-01-19 03:34:11 UTC

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Looks like it’s being detected as a touch device. Check if your browser has any touch-related settings 🤔

2026-01-19 03:07:02 UTC

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If you’re on a non-touch device, there’s an emoji picker button in the editor. On a touch device, your virtual keyboard should have an emoji picker button.
https://npub17n4cuc4d6y6qh89dekvxrenfkt5s0n49xns00uavjaxpr36c55dq87fyh9.blossom.band/5c07d22caa3a3328cc0dff537872538b346ad483e5877d8cfa02609413a2e3ee.png

2026-01-19 02:51:54 UTC

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You mean you want to use the standard Unicode emojis? You can just type them using your system’s emoji keyboard 🤔

2026-01-19 02:22:40 UTC

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If you’ve added emoji packs in other clients before, then in theory those emojis should show up when you type : . That said, there might be a bug here, I occasionally run into cases where the emoji list doesn’t appear either.
If you haven’t added any emoji packs yet, you can add some under settings → emoji packs
https://npub17n4cuc4d6y6qh89dekvxrenfkt5s0n49xns00uavjaxpr36c55dq87fyh9.blossom.band/9d1134e98b6d7ee504d5d85889b73c952757212fb08c0348ca8706bec138f699.png

2026-01-19 01:23:52 UTC

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If you type : in the composer, you should see your emojis
You’re right though, the experience around this isn’t very polished yet, and it’s something I definitely need to improve.

2026-01-19 01:19:02 UTC

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Would you mind sharing which browser you’re using? On my side, both Cmd+Z (undo) and Shift+Cmd+Z (redo) behave as expected in Chrome.

2026-01-09 06:14:02 UTC

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This is because in Preview mode, clicking the image opens the Lightbox, and closing the Lightbox also ends up closing the editor modal. I haven’t figured out a good way to fix that yet, so I disabled all click interactions in Preview mode as a workaround.
If you know how to solve it, a PR would be very welcome :)

2026-01-08 13:55:58 UTC

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Just remember to keep it updated regularly 🫡

2026-01-06 14:36:01 UTC

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Your current setup looks fine to me 👍

2026-01-06 01:36:11 UTC

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Thanks for the details 🫡
When browsing the follow feed, Jumble currently only uses the first four write relays set by a user. Unfortunately, none of the first four relays she configured contained her posts, and they also seem to be unreachable.
Jumble clearly needs a smarter strategy here, such as skipping invalid or unresponsive relays. I’ll spend some time improving this in the future.

2026-01-06 01:03:40 UTC

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May I ask which user and which post you’re referring to? That would help a lot with troubleshooting. 💜
In theory, as long as the post was published to their write relays, Jumble should be able to fetch it.

2026-01-06 01:01:33 UTC

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Because it’s currently just a Nostr event kind-based filter, as indicated below (kinds 21, 22, 34235, 34236). As a result, videos published as kind 1 events also get filtered out.
I understand this is quite unfriendly from a user perspective, and I’ll look for a way to improve it.