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Buying / Selling Bitcoin non-KYC is a basic human right.

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2024-10-02 19:44:39 CEST

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When the taxman comes to your fully doxxed customers, they will understand that (1) they should have bought Bitcoin anonymously and KYC-free (2) they also should have bought some Monero.

2024-09-22 08:09:15 CEST

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Where to Buy / Sell Bitcoin/Monero Privately with No or Limited KYC
Updated 10 September 2024
Bisq (p2p, buy/sell Bitcoin/Monero, https://bisq.network/)
Bisq2 (an easier version of Bisq, buy/sell Bitcoin/Monero, https://bisq.network/blog/bisq-2-now-in-beta/)
Haveno (p2p, buy/sell Monero, https://haveno-reto.com/)
Robosats (p2p, buy/sell Bitcoin, https://learn.robosats.com/)
Hodlhodl (p2p, buy/sell Bitcoin/Monero, https://hodlhodl.com/)
@lnp2pbot Telegram channel (p2p, buy/sell Bitcoin, mostly LATAM/Spain, https://t.me/lnp2pBot)
Peach Bitcoin (p2p, buy/sell Bitcoin, Europe, https://peachbitcoin.com/)
LocalCoinSwap (buy/sell Bitcoin/Monero, https://localcoinswap.com/)
Local Meetups (buy/sell Bitcoin/Monero for cash, https://www.meetup.com/topics/bitcoin/)
Azteco vouchers (buy Bitcoin, http://azte.co)
Bitcoin ATMs (buy/sell Bitcoin for cash, http://www.coinatmradar.com)
Bittr (buy Bitcoin, Europe, IBAN needed, http://www.getbittr.com)
Pocket Bitcoin (buy/sell, Bitcoin, Europe, IBAN needed, https://pocketbitcoin.com/)
Bitcoin Well (buy Bitcoin for Cash Vouchers, Canada, https://bitcoinwell.com/)

2024-09-21 10:42:47 CEST

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You will die

2024-09-18 23:37:05 CEST

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Relai is a KYC honey pot

2024-09-10 17:56:13 CEST

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Bisq (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, Monero, https://bisq.network/)
Haveno (buy/sell, p2p, Monero, https://haveno-reto.com/)
Robosats (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://learn.robosats.com/)
Hodlhodl (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://hodlhodl.com/)
@lnp2pbot Telegram channel (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://t.me/lnp2pBot)
Peach Bitcoin (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://peachbitcoin.com/)
LocalCoinSwap (buy/sell, crypto, https://localcoinswap.com/)
Local Meetups (buy/sell, Bitcoin, Monero, cash, https://www.meetup.com/topics/bitcoin/)
Azteco vouchers (buy, Bitcoin, http://azte.co)
Bitcoin ATMs (http://www.coinatmradar.com)
Bittr (buy only, Bitcoin, IBAN needed, http://www.getbittr.com)
Pocket Bitcoin (buy/sell, Bitcoin, IBAN needed, https://pocketbitcoin.com/)

2024-09-10 11:42:35 CEST

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You mean Bisq2 ?

2024-09-09 23:25:16 CEST

Ahhh, how to get rid of those ReplyGuys on Amethyst ?

2024-09-09 23:18:27 CEST

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2024-09-09 20:40:13 CEST

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Buy / Sell Bitcoin Privately
Updated 09/09/2024
Bisq (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, Monero, https://bisq.network/)
Haveno (buy/sell, p2p, Monero, https://haveno-reto.com/)
Robosats (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://learn.robosats.com/)
Hodlhodl (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://hodlhodl.com/)
@lnp2pbot Telegram channel (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://t.me/lnp2pBot)
Peach Bitcoin (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://peachbitcoin.com/)
LocalCoinSwap (buy/sell, crypto, https://localcoinswap.com/)
Local Meetups (buy/sell, Bitcoin, Monero, cash, https://www.meetup.com/topics/bitcoin/)
Azteco vouchers (buy, Bitcoin, http://azte.co)
Bitcoin ATMs (http://www.coinatmradar.com)
Bittr (buy only, Bitcoin, IBAN needed, http://www.getbittr.com)
Pocket Bitcoin (buy/sell, Bitcoin, IBAN needed, https://pocketbitcoin.com/)

2024-09-09 14:58:01 CEST

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Check out Azteco vouchers, they may help you to start your Bitcoin journey.

2024-09-09 14:54:02 CEST

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2024-09-09 10:47:41 CEST

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Review each option based on your criteria and select the best.

2024-09-09 10:46:36 CEST

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Bisq
Robosats
Hodlhodl
Agora Desk
Peach Bitcoin
LocalCoinSwap
Bull Bitcoin (cash, Canada only)
Local Meetups
Azteco vouchers
Bitcoin ATMs
Relai
Bittr
Pocket Bitcoin

2024-09-09 10:45:12 CEST

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Check out Robosats too and Peach Bitcoin (if you are in Europe)

2024-09-08 16:25:24 CEST

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Check out also Azteco vouchers. A little bit expensive, but could be suitable.
Definitely, there is no ideal single option, so maybe use a diversified approach - a little here, a little there

2024-09-07 17:44:56 CEST

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Well, every option is loaded with its own risks ...

2024-09-07 17:06:28 CEST

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Investigate where you have a local Bitcoin meetup and try there

2024-09-07 17:05:36 CEST

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Your available options depend very much on the country you are in.

2024-09-07 17:04:45 CEST

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Not many options here: buying for cash at Bitcoin meetups , buying for gift cards (especially, Amazon, but few offers and expensive), buying using services where your bank account and name are not exposed (eg, Bizum in Spain)

2024-09-06 11:10:41 CEST

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Thanks for the great post.
You may consider adding Bittr and Pocket Bitcoin as European options.

2024-09-03 22:08:37 CEST

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That's the way - NO KYC, it has been said 63884738387738th times 😁

2024-09-03 22:04:52 CEST

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Hahaha, you invest your time, push the Relai message, push the KYC approach and get a T shirt and a couple of 1% discoint for KYC coins in return.
Smart move, Relai, but not for Nostr people 😂

2024-08-30 00:54:24 CEST

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It works , but you pay a 10% premium. It's easier and less expensive to use Bisq or Robosats.

2024-08-30 00:52:44 CEST

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Haha, at a 10% premium , just stupid

2024-08-30 00:51:08 CEST

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Sure, doesnt make sense to buy at such a premium. Fully agree. Azteco is a ripoff.

2024-08-21 20:35:20 CEST

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It depends how you define non-KYC, obviously. If you allow some "softness", then services like Bittr or Relai could be listed.

2024-08-21 20:33:22 CEST

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Check out Bittr too. I think they still have a "Soft KYC" procedure for buying Bitcoin.
http://getbittr.com

2023-10-08 16:00:58 CEST

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@npub14a6…z6rn
What’s your take on the below ?
#note1x5r…c5vr

2023-10-08 15:53:45 CEST

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Putin is the best friend of Iran and Iran is the best friend of Hamas.
You are a logical guy, so it’s easy to deduce.

2023-10-08 15:52:19 CEST

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Total BS, it’s the opposite

2023-10-06 00:18:12 CEST

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If you become a US tax resident, then if you sell your KYC bitcoin and get capital gains, you need to show that gain in your tax form. Bitcoin is treated like stock in the US. You pay the capital gains tax.

2023-10-04 13:59:38 CEST

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Puedo comprar un Foundation hardware Wallet en este evento?

2023-10-04 13:57:39 CEST

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Hola, este evento es solo en Español ? No Inglés?

2023-09-25 13:59:42 CEST

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I have been actively using Bisq for more than a year (selling btc) with no scams, but recently was hit by two SEPA chargebacks from two different people and Bisq onion addresses.
Still trying to understand what happened, my bank is slow to explain ...

2023-09-22 22:26:10 CEST

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Goodbye, ZBD !
Will not touch.
#ZBD
#note1nw9…vlpj

2023-09-22 10:48:05 CEST

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Monero is about privacy , and, therefore, is being adopted for privacy oriented payments.
Bitcoin is for hodling , mostly KYC, and some payments when network fees are not prohibitive.
Bitcoin Lightning is for very quick small payments .

2023-09-22 00:35:09 CEST

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For KYC coins:
Either leave them as they are (zero cost option)
OR
sell them for fiat and buy again non KYC p2p (you may need to pay a capital gains tax after selling and p2p premium when buying)

2023-09-22 00:31:39 CEST

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My favorites are Bisq and Robosats

2023-09-21 11:46:28 CEST

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I would add - buy directly from the manufacturer to avoid hacked HWs

2023-09-21 11:42:15 CEST

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Try Bisq and/or look for local bitcoin meetups

2023-09-21 11:41:02 CEST

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The gov will not need to prove anything. YOU will need to prove that your bitcoin is now in other hands. And, believe me, many of your proofs and statements will be just disregarded and you will be taxed.

2023-09-21 11:38:15 CEST

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Bitcoin , at least in the US, is treated as an asset similar to a stock. When you sell it and get a capital gain, you must declare it and pay the tax.
As I am aware, there is no separate bitcoin ownership tax, excluding cases where you own a lot of stuff and are subject to the wealth tax.

2023-09-20 20:45:11 CEST

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There are basically two risks:
- the gov will tax you for selling / owning the coins at some point of time
- if your exchange gets hacked, bad actors will know you own the coins and may extort it from you
The only way I know to go non-KYC is to sell your KYC coins for fiat and then buy it again p2p.

2023-09-20 20:41:03 CEST

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Unfortunately, just one way:
sell for fiat - buy p2p for fiat again

2023-09-19 19:29:10 CEST

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Or actually a better explanation - vandals just need a valid reason to vandalize

2023-09-19 19:28:40 CEST

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Why do they think that vandalizing will promote their agenda ? Don’t get it all ...

2023-09-19 19:27:12 CEST

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The climate will change at the end of the day and the Tor will be vandalized too.
What’s the reason ?

2023-09-19 19:26:00 CEST

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WTF

2023-09-19 17:48:20 CEST

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Check out @Robosats

2023-09-18 00:13:11 CEST

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You also can try Standard Notes.

2023-09-18 00:10:16 CEST

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First, check how the taxman in your country interprets withdrawals of your KYC coins from the CEXs to other persons addresses.
It may become clear to you that KYC coins stay connected with your ID forever.

2023-09-17 23:59:49 CEST

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It seems to me that the idea is to create a relatively closed social network using the Nostr protocol and promising Zaps to the members as an incentive.
As soon as a sizable user base will be created, it can be monetized in one way or another.

2023-09-17 23:45:36 CEST

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It has an IOS version

2023-09-17 18:02:01 CEST

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Checkout Libgen or Z-lib

2023-09-17 10:37:47 CEST

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This is tough, for sure. Have some rest and a good beer 🍺

2023-09-17 10:35:34 CEST

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Looks like Spain or France or Italy 🤫

2023-09-17 00:11:47 CEST

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Sorry !
The correct address is
www.awesome-privacy.xyz

2023-09-17 00:10:35 CEST

www.awesome-privacy.io
Amazing resource for privacy oriented people.
#privacy

2023-09-17 00:06:51 CEST

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Also, you can try Azteco vouchers

2023-09-17 00:05:42 CEST

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Try Bisq. The scam potential is very low. I have been trading via Bisq for more than year and no issues at all.
One of the drawbacks: you need to install and run a desktop app.

2023-09-13 09:33:30 CEST

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Actually, Why comes before How.
Why do you want non KYC sats?
Why do you want KYC sats?
There are many different scenarios depending on your location, tax conditions, bitcoin use cases, your mindset etc.
The answer for a Bitcoin maxi in the US will be totally different to a bitcoin normie in Nigeria or China or Germany.

2023-09-13 01:25:56 CEST

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#privacy

2023-09-12 23:37:28 CEST

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At the end of the day, the govs want taxes from the taxable events.
Consider that scenario:
You purchased your BTC for X and then withdrew it to your another address when the BTC price was Y.
If you withdraw to YOUR address, then this event is not taxable. But you will need to PROVE to the taxman that this is YOUR address you withdrew to. If you can’t prove it, then it will be viewed as a taxable event and you need to pay.
So, most probably the govs will just prohibit the withdrawals to the non KYC address and we will have two types of addresses - KYC and non KYC.

2023-09-12 23:26:51 CEST

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Your points are valid. I definitely agree that your purchase at a CEX with KYC links your ID with the certain TX forever.
It’s a little more complicated with TXs afterwards when you either (1) withdraw bitcoin to *your* another address, (2) coinjoin , (3) send bitcoin to * other* persons address.
The consequences of those actions depend on how the government or other entities interpret it.
Some govs will punish coinjoins, some govs will consider every withdrawal as if you send to your own address, some govs will not care at all (like in Portugal).
So, your location and your citizenship matters a lot.

2023-09-12 23:17:27 CEST

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Running your own node is painful and requires effort, it’s definitely not for a person willing to quickly send some sats to Bitrefill, The Bitcoin Company or similar providers.
For normies, custodial LN wallets work just fine for small/average amounts like <$100

2023-09-12 23:10:31 CEST

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Thanks for the hashtag, forgot it 🙃

2023-09-12 21:49:09 CEST

Many services want you to sign up (soft KYC), but you can use non-KYC front ends instead.
Here is a useful list of those FOSS front ends:
https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends

2023-09-11 10:12:33 CEST

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Strongly agree, Nostr is about freedom , doesn’t matter Bitcoin or Monero or whatever

2023-09-10 13:40:18 CEST

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That’s a very smart move - coinjoining after buying at a DEX.
Although I never discovered a bad source for BTC bought at Bisq , there is still a possibility.
You can track the history of your coins using kycp.org

2023-09-10 13:37:23 CEST

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Folks that don’t care about KYC and/or need some fiat.

2023-09-08 15:14:10 CEST

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Drink one in the morning tomorrow and you will be fine in a moment !

2023-09-06 17:15:35 CEST

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Check out Bisq and Robosats

2023-09-06 17:14:10 CEST

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Robosats & Peach Bitcoin & HodlHodl

2023-09-05 12:17:45 CEST

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That’s a $1million question when they will transform that knowledge into problems for us, hodlers
That’s why I diversify and totally separate my BTC holdings - KYC (bought from exchanges or companies like Relai) and non-KYC (bisq, robosats)
For complete privacy, I also keep some Monero.

2023-09-05 12:09:25 CEST

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Just finished reading it. Absolutely 5++.
All my thumbs up 👍 @npub1a2c…w83a !!

2023-09-05 12:07:58 CEST

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Also, absolutely no tax on bitcoin transactions

2023-09-04 14:44:59 CEST

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Lost your keys ? The gov will laugh and charge you a capital gains tax.
The bitcoin purchased by you at a KYC exchange stay connected to your ID forever.

2023-09-04 10:29:48 CEST

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In any way, if you have that business with Relai for some time, the bank knows for sure about your bitcoin involvement.
The big issue is what they are going to do about it today or in the future

2023-09-04 10:27:50 CEST

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Well, maybe I’m overreacting, but some banks become very suspicious when you touch crypto

2023-09-04 10:00:14 CEST

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Most probably, you got flagged by the bank as Involved with crypto

2023-09-03 16:19:43 CEST

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What's the issue with the bank? Did they block the payment to Relai because it's connected to Bitcoin?

2023-09-03 04:17:52 CEST

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Also, there were also some folks selling physical Dutch SIMs at bitcointalk.org.
Not sure about now although ...

2023-09-03 04:12:47 CEST

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If e-sims are ok for you, check out silent.link and Bitrefill

2023-09-02 20:27:45 CEST

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If you buy your btc at a source that has your ID (like Coinbase or other centralized exchage), then it's relatively easy to track using a chainanalysis software.

2023-09-02 20:18:19 CEST

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CashApp is easy, but KYC. So, it works for me for small amounts and quick payments only.
For larger sums and hodling, I go non-KYC p2p + cold storage.

2023-09-02 20:15:25 CEST

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I would also recommend RoboSats, but they are experiencing technical issues at the moment.

2023-09-02 20:14:18 CEST

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Split it into 6 x $500 or 3 x $1000 and DCA every week.
If you want to have your BTC non-KYC (it means not connected to your ID), then use non-KYC p2p exchanges like Bisq, HodlHodl, Peach Bitcoin or Agoradesk.
You may also want to check out Azteco vouchers.
Good luck and feel free to ask.

2023-09-02 15:45:34 CEST

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Yes
“Starting 1 September 2023, regulations will require virtual asset service providers (like Revolut) to share information about the sender and the receiver on both ends of a crypto transaction.”

2023-09-01 13:22:04 CEST

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Sure, being decentralized and not willing to play Apple or Google game lowers adoption.
But, in any way, being a part of non-KYC world is the choice. Now, Vexl faces the same choice.

2023-09-01 09:31:33 CEST

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100% agree
Just take a look at Bisq, totally sovereign, don’t need any Apple shit and do its mission

2023-08-31 11:01:26 CEST

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When something big collapses, a period of chaos follows. So, before a new reserve currency settles, there will be a lot of currency trouble world wide where different countries like China, India etc will try to put their own currency as the new reserve currency. And that trouble will hit exactly the countries pushing de-dollarization.

2023-08-31 09:46:30 CEST

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Just delete “cash” from the app, and insert an option “another payment type as per mutual agreement”

2023-08-30 17:13:19 CEST

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That’s relatively easy:
(1) you get your connection to your home internet provider only after submitting your ID
(2) public wifi access require registering by using two independent types of ID
(3) access to Internet is provided only via a gov server
(4) etc etc etc

2023-08-30 17:06:17 CEST

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That’s a good question to the judge, imho. That was her/his decision to take it as a valid evidence

2023-08-30 16:45:22 CEST

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That’s not good news. Should I switch over to Android version of Vexl ?

2023-08-30 08:43:14 CEST

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Well said !

2023-08-30 08:42:11 CEST

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First two = DONE. Having issues with the 3rd .... still stuck in the human form

2023-08-30 08:35:15 CEST

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Amazing! “Seize the Day” attitude ...

2023-08-29 22:18:11 CEST

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Get well soon, Juraj! There is so much stuff to be done !

2023-08-29 21:57:37 CEST

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That’s explains a lot and you are excused 😃Bon Appetit ! And I hope we’ll have some pasta with vodka (your style) or vodka with pasta (my style) some time ....