Bitcoin Electrum. Nostr Proof of Burn
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2026-01-23T14:29:31Z Event JSON
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Last Notes npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV We just launched https://plugins.electrum.org , a website to gather information about Electrum plugins npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV It's been 6 months since we decentralized #lightning swaps in Electrum. Today, 9 swap providers are offering liquidity to Electrum users https://blossom.primal.net/65da5057240dd59f2d66e30ba6d6836c40df2a7101909652df093a7a1ce5e5df.png npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV The Android app needs to catch up in terms of features with the qesktop app. But yes, our goal long term is to have the same features in both. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Pay with Bitcoin using layer-2 npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV It's not about delaying the transaction. If you only rely on CLTV, a spammer can mine a notarization transaction today and pretend that it has been published a long time ago. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV We cannot use CLTV for proof of burn, because it would allow miners to cheat. This is explained in the whitepaper: https://notary.electrum.org/n/proof-of-burn.pdf (see footnote on page 4) npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Actually, it is CSV locked., so locking decade in the future won't work. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV yes. a single btc transaction can notarize millions of nostr events. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV thanks! npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV When all the more urgent stuff is done 😎 npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV A lot of things are possible with Electrum plugins. Since version 4.6, third-party plugins can be distributed as ZIP files, and installed by users at runtime. Maybe #nostr could be used as a plugin distribution channel? Think of a decentralized AppStore powered by web of trust. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV it is waiting for one confirmation before revealing the preimage npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV https://blossom.primal.net/a620d181f2b6bb1efa0deca68df084ead05a964daf9c646a7280566f97bbf5fd.png npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV looking forward to this npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Nostr is what Ethereum tried to achieve: decentralize all the things. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Thank you @nprofile…aken @nprofile…4s3d for organizing this great event. Bitcoin and Nostr are the perfect match! https://image.nostr.build/b39b9e441f0b6e147f2d738a287f78e9cc8f7ac8b6683c102139ad6736afea60.jpg npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV That is a good point. Nostr users do not need to be Bitcoin users. Notaries may choose to accept lightning, but also cashu, fiat, shitcoins, or whatever they want. Commercial Nostr portals such as Primal may offer notarization to their paying users, or even to all their users, as long as they find a way to monetize it. In the end, the only thing that matters is whether notarization fees are more economical than the infrastructure cost of a free service that can be abused. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV > Then miners can spam relays for almost free? npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV To be clear, in this context the coins are not burnt, they are sent to the Bitcoin miners. Paying the relays creates very different incentives, that lead to centralization. Indeed, relays have no reason to cooperate or to trust eachother. If you pay relay A to store and relay your notes, relay B has no reason to trust that the payment was real. In addition, if relays compete for users payments, then it becomes in their interest to spam their competitors. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV It's a pity that I could not join the Deep Dive podcast. Nevertheless, they did an extraordinary job at explaining Proof-of-burn. I am deeply impressed. 🤖 npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV I think Nostr is so disruptive that some entities will want to shut it down. This is when spam will get serious. At that point, relays may have to enforce proof of burn. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Proof of burn events are kind 30021 events. You can view them in Nostrudel, in the 'other' tab under the note. Also, the notary posts a 'summary' note (kind 1) for every new notarization transaction. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Hello Manchester ☀️ #bitfest #nostrshire npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Podcasters are dead npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Abusing zaps for Proof of Burn:[email protected] npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Nostr Proof-of-Burn demo available: https://notary.electrum.org npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Re centralization: If you choose to pay relay A and not relay B, then why would relay B accept your posts? I am assuming they would not; otherwise, relay A can easily spam relay B (if relays compete for payments, then they have an incentive to take down competition, and spam is a way to achieve that). npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Users paying relays directly goes against decentralization. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Someone created a text version of the PDF on StackerNews: https://stacker.news/items/1279868 npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Relays have no incentive to cooperate. You cannot pay "relays" collectively, you can only pay a specific relay. And other relays have no way to tell that the payment was real. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV You do a lightning transaction for each upvote. The on-chain transaction is done by the notary and it can aggregate millions of posts. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV The Price of Attention: Attaching Bitcoin Fees to Nostr Events npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV I will demo pay-to-upvote, a Bitcoin based spam filter for nostr npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV hi, thanks. just toying. npub1zqnl6k7rkhjsexqq6j9u3t8mc2gd3xu9037wz4tj54cy33xq2k8qpqv2pm ThomasV Hello, world!
