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2026-05-27 01:31:37 CEST

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by npub1kun…3lhe

"on Nostr or Primal"
Primal is just a client, and even that is debatable. Nostr is the protocol that clients and relays use to "speak the same language" with one another so that things are interoperable between most clients that do the same thing. Primal has no "groups" feature that I am aware of, where people in the group only see messages from one another, and no one who hasn't joined the group will see the messages. There are ways of making groups outlined in the Nostr protocol's improvement possibilities (NIPs), but it is not expected that every client, or even most clients, will support everything that can be done with the Nostr protocol. You are likely going to need to find a client that has the feature you are looking for, but we really need to define what it is you want before I can recommend a particular client to you. We'll get to that in a moment.
"the chaos of the main feed"
The main feed is only chaotic if you are looking at a global feed (max chaos), a relay feed (variant chaos based on which relay), or some other feed that puts posts in front of you from people you haven't actively followed. If you only follow certain people, and your main feed only shows you posts from the people you have actually followed, then it won't be chaotic at all. Primal in particular errs on the side of putting content in front of new users when they haven't had the chance to decide who they want to follow, so that they don't end up with an empty main feed when they first join. That means Primal may not be the ideal client for your plan to onboard people to a feed with no content except other people they personally know from an existing social circle.
Now comes the question of what you actually want. Are you looking to have a group chat, similar to Telegram or Discord, where everyone is talking to each other and seeing all the back and forth in a single feed? Or are you wanting something more like a micro-blogging feed, where someone makes a post about some topic and others can reply to it, but the replies are only seen by others when they click on the original post? So, similar to Primal's main feed, but only showing posts from people within your social circle.
If you are looking for the chat-group style, then you want to find a Nostr client that supports Relay Based Groups, like Flotilla, Cha Chi Chat, or Wisp, or one that supports encrypted group messaging, like White Noise.
If you are looking for a micro-blogging style of interaction with only people within a specific social circle, there are a few ways to achieve this:
One would be by using a hashtag for your group, and having everyone in the group use that hashtag on all their posts, and follow that hashtag rather than individual users. This has some obvious drawbacks, as you already observed. First, it requires everyone to remember to include the hashtag in their posts, or else it just won't show up in everyone's feed. It also runs the risk of the hashtag being hijacked by spammers. Additionally, others outside of the group will be able to see the posts made by people within the group, assuming everyone is posting to publicly readable Nostr relays. This may or may not be a downside, depending on whether you want your group's posts to be visible to others. However, it does have a major benefit, as well: You can control which of your posts are intended for that specific group to see and which ones are not based on whether you include the hashtag. When others in the group have gotten used to Nostr and are wanting to interact outside of the group, they can also start branching out to use other feeds and make posts with other hashtags or no hashtags at all.
The extreme left-curve method would be to use a client that doesn't show any posts from anyone you haven't actively followed, then have everyone in your group follow one another and ONLY one another. Then their main feed will not be chaotic at all, but will instead only show them posts from people within your social circle until they are ready to venture out from there. I am pretty sure Amethyst still operates this way, so that may be a good client to use with this method. The downside is, you have to ensure that everyone manually follows everyone else, or you can speed up the process by creating a follow pack for them to just follow everyone listed on it at once, but then they will have to manually update their follows when someone new is added to the follow pack. Also, even though everyone in the group is only following one another, their posts will still be visible by everyone else, assuming you are all writing to public relays. The upside is, this method should work with most Nostr clients, so you don't have to be as picky about which client you use. The only one to stay away from would be Primal, since it actively tries to get content in front of new users by requiring them to follow at least one of their default lists of users at the time of onboarding.
Another option is setting up a follow pack and having everyone in your group use that follow pack as their main feed. You then would control who is included in that follow pack as you onboard more people from the group. There are tradeoffs with this option as well. Not all clients allow you to use follow-packs as a main feed option. The two best ones I found are Primal and Ditto. However, Primal did not show very many of the available follow-packs, so you would be relying on them to surface your follow-pack as an option for your group to add as a feed. Additionally, you would not have control over which posts show up in the follow pack feed, and which ones don't. For instance, I am included in the "Following Jesus" follow pack, and anyone who uses that follow pack as a feed will see all of my public posts, whether they are about faith or not. Like the hashtag option, using a follow pack for your group also does not keep others from outside the group from seeing your posts that are intended for your group, assuming you are all posting to publicly readable relays. The benefit of this option is that no one has to remember to include a hashtag in each of their posts, and you can add new members and remove old members by simply updating the follow pack.
A similar option is using a list, rather than a follow pack. Lists are designed to be used by the person who made them, though, so there is only one client I know of that allows you to create a feed using a list created by another user: Coracle. Even then, you can only use lists created by users within your existing social network, so everyone from the group you want to onboard would have to follow you first, and then they would be able to create a feed in Coracle that uses a list of users you maintain. This method has all of the same upsides and downsides as the follow pack option above, but with the added complication that it only works with Coracle, since other clients will only let you create a feed using your own list.
The last option is running a private relay for just your group, and one that allows you to whitelist who can read from and write to it. Most relays out there will allow anyone to read from them, even if they restrict who can write to them, so you may have a challenge of finding exactly what relay implementation you want to run. You also will need to know a thing or two about how to run a relay and safely expose its endpoint so others can connect to it, unless you use a hosted relay through something like relay.tools, but I am not sure if @nprofile…nkgf 's relays can restrict who can read from them in addition to restricting who can write to them, and there is a monthly cost associated with having a hosted relay. The downside to this option is, you will need to make sure each member of the group sets this private relay up as both a read and write relay, and if they don't want their posts to be public, they will need it to be their ONLY relay. If they want to have all of their posts public as well, then they can have other relays. If they want to have some of their posts public and others only visible to the group, they will need to use a Nostr client that allows them to specify which relay(s) they are posting to on a per-post basis. Something like Jumble.social or Coracle.social. They will also need to set up that specific relay as its own feed, which is also possible in Jumble and Coracle. The upside of this method is that you can restrict who can read from and write to the group's relay, and each member of the group doesn't have to manually follow or unfollow when new members join or old ones leave. When members of the group want to explore Nostr more on their own, they still have the option to add more relays and follow other users, too.
So, as you can see, Nostr has a lot of flexibility for doing what you want, and you have to choose the option that best fits with your particular use-case, since each option has its own tradeoffs.

2026-05-26 18:13:44 CEST

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